Black List of No Pays

[OldKingCrow]

Originally Posted by Johan Steele

My "lane" in this case is that I've dealt w/ such issues as a mod on another board and been on the receiving end of being cheated here.

Please tell us more about this experience as a mod dealing with this on another board I think that would be valuable insight.


How exactly does anyone prove anything in the case I mentioned above? My word against someone else? Especially on the internet when a screen name can be used by multiple people or can be hacked. Both of which I've seen. With any purchase made on the web it's is up to the buyer to beware, it's even one of the rules here.

Of course it is always buyer beware..straight up it sounds to me like you got had cause as I alluded in my previous post from the butthurtedness which arises from poor deal making. You seem to have issues with anon sellers with multiple accounts and unknown addresses....I nor any of the people I know doing business across fora covering multiple hobbies dont have that same experience... especially here ???? If you got bait and switched perhaps it is better to buy from known, event going, honorable people, approved vendors or at events in person. One must always weight the risk and cost benefit of the deal too good to be true..certainly from the vague or unknown.


It isn't the job of a mod to have to deal with such, especially when their actions may well end up w/ the threat of or actual legal action. Anything that is going to get a lawyer involved will cost money; money that could be better put towards preservation or site maint instead of a lawyers pocket.

You again with the false pretense of legal action ? We are talking known cases of theft where a police report has been filed. Nothing is required of a mod. We have seen it recently in action just fine.

I'm all for creating a list of known thieves and cheats here or on any other board. But in the world of the net and in this day and age of a lawsuit at the drop of a hat it's begging for trouble. It isn't the job of the AC to regulate sales. And has been mentioned earlier in this thread the cost could well be enough to shut down the site.

Please show one of case law wherein a judgment was issued, do this after you advise how you handled it as mod on the other board. Are you saying a thief will easily find counsel to file suit where the affirmative is his client stole or defrauded the defendant who factually reported this in a community of people where there is a known and demonstrable pattern of the plaintiff undertaking defrauding activities ?

So if you, or anyone else, volunteer for the job of overseeing such a thread and any legal ramifications that might possibly result will you pay for the expenses out of your pocket? Even if the answer is yes; would that coin not be better put into preservation than lining a lawyers pocket?

There is no overseeing, nor it is a job as you assert earlier. If sales ads are going to be allowed equal time for the polite airing of grievances and the oppty for retort and corrective action is fair and honorable. Many times it is the only means of multiple defrauded parties to be aware of the pattern. If it goes beyond on that and a police report is filed it should be evidence and searchable as fair warning for the community.

CJ Rideout
Rusty the Baliff Mess

[paulcalloway]

Now I can see some fellow who had gotten ripped off wanting to create a page on a free webspace somewhere and post a black list. They'd probably keep it simple so when the site shut the page down they could just move it elsewhere.

I'm sure they'd come up with one of those free redirects like shorturl.com so when the site did get shut down, they'd just build another one on another free site and repoint the url redirect.

It'd probably be worth the effort just to nail jackasses like Grzklwkewjrwohskfi and expose them for the worthless filth that they really are.

It's just too bad I'm the only one with this idea. And the reality is, this might take several minutes to set up ... and who has time for that?

[Johan Steele]

Originally Posted by OldKingCrow

Please tell us more about this experience as a mod dealing with this on another board I think that would be valuable insight.

No, I will not air another sites dirty laundry here or an any other board.

Of course it is always buyer beware..straight up it sounds to me like you got had cause as I alluded in my previous post from the butthurtedness which arises from poor deal making. You seem to have issues with anon sellers with multiple accounts and unknown addresses....I nor any of the people I know doing business across fora covering multiple hobbies dont have that same experience... especially here ???? If you got bait and switched perhaps it is better to buy from known, event going, honorable people, approved vendors or at events in person. One must always weight the risk and cost benefit of the deal too good to be true..certainly from the vague or unknown.

Like any other situation you get burned once it's your own fault and in my case I took it like a man and wrote it off as money lost in a learning experiance. All I can do is try to pass on my experiance so maybe someone else doesn't get burned. Any hobby whether Roman, Rev War, CW, WW2 has its scheisters. Overall this is an honest group of people that I would trust in a heartbeat. Having been doing this for as many years as I have and seeing the way the web is. I put my coin in the hands of people I know or have a good idea who they are.

You again with the false pretense of legal action ? We are talking known cases of theft where a police report has been filed. Nothing is required of a mod. We have seen it recently in action just fine.

CJ Rideout
Rusty the Baliff Mess

Police report... yes that works just fine but it's also pretty much ignored if it's less than $1000. Post a copy of the police report online. And what will be the repurcussions if the report turns out to be fake and there are accusations of a smear campaign? I noted you weren't willing to put your pocket book on the line if somebody threw a lawyer into the mix. Nothing wrong with that as I'd rather the coin went to preservation or another worthy cause. As to case law, I'm not a lawyer even though I did spend several nights in a Holiday Inn Express of late, I don't spend time on the net looking for such. I just put in my two cents and I'll leave it at that. As I said I'd love nothing better than a black list of those who eagerly thief in this hobby; I just don't see the cost worth it if someone throws legal crap at the site. It isn't worth it when a PM to possible victims or a post saying "Hey cover your bases because I got hosed by this guy." as a warning to buyers will do just as well.

Mr Calloway, you are a quite right as usual. I've thrown my opinion into the mix and am done with it. I'm going to go wrap myself around a bottle of scotch so I can get rid of the headache of even thinking of lawyers and their fees again.

[JimKindred]

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