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    Stuff for sale (originals).

    Check this out, now if you wanted to see some original gear, here was the place to get it.

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    Ryan B.Weddle

    7th New York State Militia

    "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes" - Henry David Thoreau

    "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
    – George Washington , 1789

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    Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

    Hi Ryan,

    Indeed, Uncle Sammie couldn't wait to get rid of his surplus gear--the selling began almost as soon as the shooting stopped. Fred Gaede discusses this in his shelter tent book and, if you look in New York Times numbers beginning around June 1865, I believe you'll see the same kinds of surplus sale ads.

    Bannerman's undoubtedly ended up with lot of this surplus stuff but God knows where the rest of it went--it was undoubtedly recycled in various ways. 36,000 shelter tents? Sheesh!

    Regards,

    Mark Jaeger
    Regards,

    Mark Jaeger

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    • #3
      Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

      I'll take two of each...large sizes please...
      B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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      • #4
        Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

        Do you think this was like a modern surplus sale? All or nothing for the lot?
        The terms read like an eBay listing.
        B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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        • #5
          Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

          If you really want to know where most of the surplus goods went, visit the Tennessee State Archives and look in the William Alonzo Wright Papers, mf1652

          Mr. Wright was a Asst. QM from 1862 to 1870 and was responsiable for managing most of the surplus sales during that time. The Army destroyed the official records in the early 20th cent., but Mr. Wright, not wanting to take the risk of being hit with the replacement cost of unaccounted items, kept a complete extra copy of all paperwork relating to his work. The records include all the QM accounts for the Nashville and Knoxville Depots and his postwar service in Texas.
          Leland Hares, 10th Tennessee (U.S.)

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          • #6
            Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

            Note the 16,000 knit blouses- helps answer that annoying question of where they all went and maybe why we don't see any representations of them in the wartime photo record although they had been known to have been produced


            Originally posted by RyanBWeddle
            Check this out, now if you wanted to see some original gear, here was the place to get it.
            Leland Hares, 10th Tennessee (U.S.)

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            • #7
              Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

              Alot of surplus was sold abroad. The Germans ended up making ersatz bayonets out of socket bayonets in WW1

              http://perso.wanadoo.fr/christian.mery/Roy140years.htm
              Robert Johnson

              "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



              In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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              • #8
                Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                Back in '91 I visited the Imperial War Museum in London. Among the exhibits, they had one covering the Great War in German East Africa. They had a Belgian muzzleloader (can't remember the type) that had been sold as surplus to the U.S. army during the Civil War, resold following the war, and somehow ended up with Von Lettow-Vorbecks army. Talk about your high mileage.

                Charles D. Hoskins
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                • #9
                  Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                  Rob,

                  That German bayonet site is truly amazing?! Just think of gigging Frenchmen with a Springfield bayonet!

                  WILD!??!?!!
                  Ryan B.Weddle

                  7th New York State Militia

                  "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes" - Henry David Thoreau

                  "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
                  – George Washington , 1789

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                  • #10
                    Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                    I just read an article on post war surplus dealers. Bannerman, a German guy, and a Belgien guy were all in a loose partnership selling US and European surplus in the late 19th early 20th century. Pretty amazing stuff.
                    Robert Johnson

                    "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



                    In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                      I wonder how much metal "stuff" got melted down during WWII------on second thought, probably better not to know
                      [FONT=Century Gothic]Alan Poor/Independent[/FONT]

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                      • #12
                        Just a passing odd thought....

                        Thinking about those 16,000 fed. knit blouses just gave me a thought......Remember the full-legnth photo of Wm. Bonny a.k.a. Billy the Kid? the outer garment is some kind of knit coat or sweater, could it be a much-used example of a surplus knit blouse?
                        Tom Smith, 2nd Lt. T.E.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                          i know a large cache of bannerman surplus, old canteen stoppers springfield, enfield parts, bayonets, buttons, insignia, hat cords , purcussion caps, friction primers etc... all original surplus all cheap, but im not gonna reveal its location...

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                          • #14
                            Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                            Originally posted by markj
                            Hi Ryan,

                            Bannerman's undoubtedly ended up with lot of this surplus stuff but God knows where the rest of it went--it was undoubtedly recycled in various ways. 36,000 shelter tents? Sheesh!

                            Regards,

                            Mark Jaeger
                            Fine print actually says "36,000 lbs." of shelter tents--let's see, if a shelter half weighs, what, about 4 lbs., that's...a lot of shelter tents....

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                            • #15
                              Re: Stuff for sale (originals).

                              It's important to note that many Federal contracts ran through the end of 1865. That means that those contractors were in full wartime production well after the vast majority of US troops were mustered out.
                              John Stillwagon

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