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    Greetings,



    Check this out:
    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...category=13960

    Regards,

    Mark Jaeger
    Last edited by paulcalloway; 01-28-2004, 09:27 PM.
    Regards,

    Mark Jaeger

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    Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

    A quick search-


    No "Henry Bear" associated with 79th Pa...but one only roster (Co.D) available on internet

    I did find a "conscientious objector" by that name-





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    Thomas Chance

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    • #3
      Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

      I thought most the original cartridges that were left in existance were packaged. What are the chances of him having 11 original tubes. I also don't see a cap tube there.


      James
      Last edited by James Masson; 01-28-2004, 10:04 PM.
      James K. Masson

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      • #4
        Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

        After checking the civil war soldiers and sailors system I found 19 individuals named Henry Bear, however not one of the gentleman belonged to the 79th PA.
        here is the list:

        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        127th Regiment, United States Colored Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Artillery
        17th Independent Battery, Ohio Light Artillery
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        112th Regiment, Ohio Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Artillery
        6th Regiment, Michigan Heavy Artillery
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        124th Regiment, Ohio Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        13th Regiment, Michigan Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        31st Regiment, Indiana Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Osage County Regiment, Missouri Home Guard
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        10th Regiment, New Jersey Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        18th Regiment, US Infantry (Regular Army)
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        45th Regiment, Kentucky Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        48th Regiment, Missouri Infantry
        Bear, Henry
        Union
        Infantry
        13th Regiment, Michigan Infantry
        Bear, Henry C.
        Union
        Infantry
        31st Regiment, New Jersey Infantry
        Bear, Henry C.
        Union
        Infantry
        116th Regiment, Illinois Infantry
        Bear, Henry H.
        Union
        Infantry
        187th Regiment, Ohio Infantry
        Bear, Henry H.
        Union
        Infantry
        194th Regiment, Ohio Infantry
        Bear, Henry J.
        Union
        Infantry
        189th Regiment, Ohio Infantry
        Bear, Henry J.
        Union
        Infantry
        193rd Regiment, Ohio Infantry

        I found it interesting how many individuals named Henry Bear fought for Ohio Regiments....

        Cheers,
        Scott Davolt

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        • #5
          Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

          Maybe Henry was a bounty jumper.
          Fred Grogan
          Sykes' Regulars

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          • #6
            Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

            Much of the 79th Pa originally came from Lancaster, County, PA. That's not to say that this "Henry Bear" may not have been a conscript or a bounty man. He may even have come from another area and ended up with the 79th.
            However, back in the 1960's, you know, the ACW Centenial Years. The reenactment unit known as the Lancaster Fencibles adopted the name , "79th PVI" , for reasons explained sometime ago in another post of mine. I knew quite a few of these folks. Most went onto become Rev War reenactors.
            The point I want to get to is that the "Fencibles" used quite a bit original gear that they got at Bannermans. They also got quite a bit from other shops that existed around here. Even getting it out of attics. By their own admission and by my own witnessing. I know that many of these guys "customised" this original stuff. Some evn did it with the idea of defrauding someone at a later date, as a joke, of course. Most of us being teenagers then had no real idea of the seriosness of destroying antigues , etc. Further none of us ever thought how wrong it was to "defraud" anyone by putting fake names on items in question.
            I guess what I'm saying is that unless something more concrete comes to light. I would suspect that this gear might have been some ACW centenial reenactor gear. Yes, it's original. But the provenance isn't what it seems to be.
            Barry Dusel

            In memory: Wm. Stanley, 6th PA Cav. Ernst C. Braun, 9th PA. Cav. John E. Brown & Edwin C. Brown, 23rd PVI

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            • #7
              Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

              According to Samuel P. Bates' History of Pennsylvania Volunteers, 1861-1865 , Vol. IV, p. 1088 (1869), Henry Bear was mustered into Co. B, 79th Pennsylvania Volunteer Infantry as a private on September 5, 1861. His term of service was for three years, but on September 5, 1862 he was discharged on a Surgeon's certificate.

              Eric
              Eric J. Mink
              Co. A, 4th Va Inf
              Stonewall Brigade

              Help Preserve the Slaughter Pen Farm - Fredericksburg, Va.

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              • #8
                Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

                Originally posted by James Masson
                I thought most the original cartridges that were left in existance were packaged. What are the chances of him having 11 original tubes.
                James

                If you are getting a cartridge box directly from the family it wouldn't be uncommon to have a couple of rounds left in the box. Depends on if they were left there by the original owner and how many kids have played with it along the way. At one time in the distant past you could even find a few boxes on dealers tables with intact cartridges loose in the box. I have one on my US equip page.


                What is even more amazing I traded a repro box to a fellow who was using an original Bannerman box to skirmish with. He knew he shouldn't be using it and wanted to get a repro.
                Jim Mayo
                Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.

                CW Show and Tell Site
                http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/index.html

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                • #9
                  Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

                  "It belongs in a collection that holds only the finest id'd or leather accouterments. To be honest it belongs in a museum but we'll leave that up to the buyer."
                  Yes, it does! Greedy @*&!% !
                  Jason R. Wickersty
                  http://www.newblazingstarpress.com

                  Received. “How now about the fifth and sixth guns?”
                  Sent. “The sixth gun is the bully boy.”
                  Received. “Can you give it any directions to make it more bully?”
                  Sent. “Last shot was little to the right.”
                  Received. “Fearfully hot here. Several men sunstruck. Bullets whiz like fun. Have ceased firing for awhile, the guns are so hot."

                  - O.R.s, Series 1, Volume 26, Part 1, pg 86.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Alleged ID'd 79th PA haversack/accoutrements

                    Greetings,

                    Amen. A dealer on eBay is currently offering a rather sizeable group of letters ID'd to a soldier in the 118th Ohio but, alas, he has broken up the collection and is individually selling them for the usual, obvious reasons. I get sick everytime I see this since all context is lost.

                    Dealers: Can't live with'em, can't shoot'em.

                    Regards,

                    Mark D. Jaeger
                    Regards,

                    Mark Jaeger

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