CS oilcloth haversack

[Andrew Kasmar]

Hi,

When a guideline says "CS oilcloth Haversack" are they talking about the Bayley haversack, or are there other CS oilcloth pattern haversacks. Any help would be great. Thanks.

[Andrew Kasmar]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

Hi,

Bump!!!!

[Justin Morris]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

Hey Andrew, from the events I've attended and been involved in planning, a C.S. Oilcloth haversack can be a painted back with unpainted strap or a haversack that has been coated with linseed oil. It also depends on what theater and time. Bayley would obviously be an Eastern haversack, however there were that same style of haversack in the Western theater. So, you could really go either way, but when in doubt, drop an e-mail to the event organizers to make sure if you are worried you'll make the wrong choice. Good luck!

Justin

[RN_PAC]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

I don't know much about the product, but MB&S/Bob Serio offers a different style of treated cloth haversack that is reportedly based on a different original specimin.

http://www.missouribootandshoe.com/index.asp

Plus, as an oddity, there is in a collection the envelope of a double bag knapsack that was cut off of the rest of the pack, and a shoulder strap added as a field modification, and carried by a Confederate soldier as a haversack. I had heard of it origionally from Brent Feito, and then stumbled on a pic of it on display on the internet myself; I will see if I can find it again...

[Justin Morris]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

That sounds like a very interesting haversack Tom. Please do post the picture if you find it, I for one would be very interested in seeing this.

Justin

[PanzerJager]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

I don't know much about the product, but MB&S/Bob Serio offers a different style of treated cloth haversack that is reportedly based on a different original specimin.

http://www.missouribootandshoe.com/index.asp

Plus, as an oddity, there is in a collection the envelope of a double bag knapsack that was cut off of the rest of the pack, and a shoulder strap added as a field modification, and carried by a Confederate soldier as a haversack. I had heard of it origionally from Brent Feito, and then stumbled on a pic of it on display on the internet myself; I will see if I can find it again...

The Alfred May haversack in thr NC state museum is made from half a double bag, here's a link to the website.

http://ncmuseumofhistory.org/MOH/vfp...ABASE=50339431,

I personally viewed the haversack before, it's simply a double bag cut in half and the straps attached to make a should strap. I always wnated to get a old double bag and make one just never found the time.

Regards,

-Seth

[RN_PAC]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

I'm workin' on it. I can tell that this is going to be one of those maddening missions already. I just remember being so shocked when I stumbled on a photo of it on display that I fired off an email to Brent then and there (at that point it had been a year or two since he told me about it). Dang, I wish I would have saved it!

[Stonewall_Greyfox]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

There were many variations (probably hundreds) of CS "Oilcloth/Painted Cloth/Enamaled Cloth" haversacks. I think most people generally associate the typical "Bayley" bag with the regs....but the "Jackson" bag is also a variation of this style, but includes a gusset in the design of the bag, and is suspended by a leather strap.

The "Jobson" bag in the collection of the MoC is hourglass in shape, and would be a pretty wicked bag to see reproduced...as would the "Wise" bag, which must have been a private purchase officers bag, is complete with external pocket, dividers on the inside...and a key lock for the flap.

So, Yes...I believe the regulators may generally be thinking of the "Bayley" bag...but there are MANY options out there for a bag under this description in event regulations.

Paul B.

[RN_PAC]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

The Alfred May haversack in thr NC state museum is made from half a double bag, here's a link to the website.

http://ncmuseumofhistory.org/MOH/vfp...ABASE=50339431,

I personally viewed the haversack before, it's simply a double bag cut in half and the straps attached to make a should strap. I always wnated to get a old double bag and make one just never found the time.

Regards,

-Seth

You are the MAN and saved me from certain insanity. That is an even better photo than the one I had in mind, where it was actually in situ behind glass.

Thanks!

[Andrew Kasmar]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

Hi,

Thanks for all of the information. I have a Bayley pattern, original fabric, and a little time on my hands, so I am planning on making one. That knapsack/haversack is really cool.

[FloridaConscript]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

anyone know what button is on the bayley? I have one I got in a trade, but it has no button. I have an old brass coin button that I may use, but am curious to know if anyone knows what is on the original

Bryant Roberts

[Andrew Kasmar]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

Hi,

If I recall correctly, the Baley haversack was found with no button on it. So it will be hard to say what the haversack originally had on it. You are most likely pretty safe with a coin button, bone button, painted tin button, or other common buttons. Just my 2 cents.

Andrew

[FloridaConscript]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

thanks. i think I'll go with the coin. I've got a moses alexander bag from joe loehle that is over 10 years old, and it came with a pewter coin button. i love the bag, but i need to start breaking in another one, cause it is about at the end of the string.

Bryant Roberts

[GreencoatCross]

Re: CS oilcloth haversack

Tom & Justin,

There is a knapsack very similar to May's up here in Michigan. It's on display at the Michigan Historical Museum in Lansing, along with several other items including a carpet-covered Federal canteen, U.S. Sharpshooter officer's flask, Federal overcoat, and more.

According to the museum the altered knapsack was used by a Confederate soldier when it was captured and used as saddlebags by a Federal cavalryman.