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    Hi All,

    I look information on Painted Cloth Cartridge Box page 198 of the volume CS of E&G...
    Dimensions, where, when, etc.???

    Kind regards.

    William
    William Miconnet
    French Mess
    AES
    BGR & IPW Survivor
    Never ever give up!
    In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
    I believe!

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    Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

    Hi

    I have a reproduction of the cartridge box you are seeking. When I have some spare time I will get you the measurements (in metric of course). What parts do you want measured exactly? I know it is not an original but it is the best I can do to help.

    From what I can tell it was issued from 1862 until the end of the war as the lack of leather started to bite. It was mainly issued throughout the western theater but at least two boxes can be traced to Virginia. I don't have any hard evidence on hand right now, this is just from memory. Hopefully others will help back me up on this (or prove me wrong).

    Kind Regards
    [FONT="Georgia"][B][SIZE="3"]Paul Norris[/SIZE][/B][/FONT]
    [SIZE="2"][B][FONT="Georgia"]19th Alabama Infantry
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    Backwaters 1865 - S.U.G., Company A

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    • #3
      Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

      Hi,

      I would bet that Don Smith has lots of information on the box, so you may want to contact him.
      Andrew Kasmar

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      • #4
        Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

        In fact it's for one friend who would like to make it by our friend Jan, I think that it is effectively quite necessary the measures, but Jan who is on this forum, can say to us about it more...
        For the information, I have that on cap pouch given by friend Bazoo, but nothing else onto cartridge garage, to part E&G.

        "Every Confederate soldier who carried a gun had a waterproof cap box to store and protect a supply of percussion caps. A firearm without a cap was useless. The most common Confederate cap box is easily distinguished from its Yankee counterpart by a single, wide, leather belt loop and lead closing finial affixed to a leather box. A much rarer version, made of painted canvas was produced within the Confederacy. All known maker-marked painted canvas accoutrements were made in Columbus, Georgia, home to the South’s largest painted canvas manufacturing concerns-Brands & Corner and the Eagle Manufacturing Company.

        Though this box is unmarked it was most likely made for, or by, the Columbus, Georgia Depot. From this depot they were shipped to the various Confederate Armies.

        Although painted canvas accoutrements were made in large numbers, surviving examples are exceedingly rare. Canvas accoutrements are especially desirable because they clearly illustrate the South’s ingenuity and lack of resources.

        The example shown here is an excellent example of a painted canvas percussion cap box. The canvas is in nearly perfect condition; the leather latch tab was broken and has had a new one spliced in. This was well done and cannot be seen from the outside. The leather of one of the end caps appears slightly different than the other so one may be a period or later replacement. The lead finial is tight and the canvas is as good as any I have ever seen. All of the stitching remains intact and tight."

        Thanks to you two for your answers...
        William Miconnet
        French Mess
        AES
        BGR & IPW Survivor
        Never ever give up!
        In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
        I believe!

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        • #5
          Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

          Thank you BRISBANRED for this information.
          I suppose that she(it) has even measure that a leather classic.
          No??
          Can you make it detailed photos and post them or send them on my e-mail:
          maxime.gorree@orange.fr[/email]
          It would be very kind.

          Thank you
          Maxime Gorree
          Secretary of « French Mess »
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          • #6
            Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

            Maxime, you have to sign every post with your full name;-)
            Detailed info about these oil cloth accoutrements would be much appreciated as getting infos directely from originals is pretty hard here in Europe.
            I don't care if the measurements are in inches or cm I can convert them easily.
            Thanks everybody in advance!
            Jan H.Berger
            Hornist

            German Mess
            http://germanmess.de/

            www.lederarsenal.com


            "Und setzet ihr nicht das Leben ein, nie wird euch das Leben gewonnen sein."( Friedrich Schiller)

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            • #7
              Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

              G´day William and Jan,

              well there are three different painted canvas cartridge boxes in the book
              "Collecting the Confederacy" .

              Two of them obviously made by T. N. Crown & Company in Columbus;Georgia.

              Some good pics included.
              Unfortunatly the description is without measurements.

              If you do not have this book give me a p.m.

              Regards

              Ingo

              Ingo Rolletter
              5th Virginia Inf (Germany)

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              • #8
                Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                Hallo Ingo,

                Thank you companion!
                I have no this book, Jan I do not know?
                I want, for my personal culture, the information by p.m.
                Still thank you! ;)

                Kind regards.

                William
                William Miconnet
                French Mess
                AES
                BGR & IPW Survivor
                Never ever give up!
                In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
                I believe!

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                • #9
                  Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                  Thanks for all everybody...

                  Maxime GORREE
                  Secretary of French mess
                  Last edited by bosco62; 09-08-2008, 05:36 AM.
                  Maxime Gorree
                  Secretary of « French Mess »
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                  • #10
                    Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                    Penses à signer tes messages avec ton vrai nom mon poulet ou à te créer une signature automatique...

                    @+++

                    William
                    William Miconnet
                    French Mess
                    AES
                    BGR & IPW Survivor
                    Never ever give up!
                    In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
                    I believe!

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                    • #11
                      Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                      Have an original posted on this page if you would like to look.

                      Jim Mayo
                      Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.

                      CW Show and Tell Site
                      http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/index.html

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                      • #12
                        Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                        Cool ;) Thanks!!!
                        William Miconnet
                        French Mess
                        AES
                        BGR & IPW Survivor
                        Never ever give up!
                        In memory of Steve Boulton, live the little story, lost in the history...
                        I believe!

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                        • #13
                          Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                          It's a cartridge box belt different from the one that's draw on confederate skeetchbook.
                          Thank's a lot Jim.
                          Some one know if there's a bayonnet socket relic know in the USA?
                          Do some one know if there was others manufactures then N Crown and Co or William's Brand and Co that made quite sets of " leathers" ?

                          Luc Geraudie

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                          • #14
                            Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                            Thanks all people for information
                            Maxime Gorree
                            Secretary of « French Mess »
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                            • #15
                              Re: Painted Cloth Cartridge Box

                              Do any of these have a tool pouch under main flap like the leather patterns?
                              Lee A. Benjamin

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