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    My question is did the cords on some confederate hats signify any kind of rank or were they purely for decorative purposes ? I've tried the search functions for this question and come up with a few answers indicating decorative.I bought a slouch hat years ago from Dirty Billys and it came with a black cord,also have similar hat from Tim Bender,was wondering about the authenticity of the cord.
    Bob Hutton:)

    14th NC "Wild Cats"

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    Re: Confederate Hat Cords

    Personally, I cringe when I see reenactors with hat cords....
    Tom "Mingo" Machingo
    Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

    Vixi Et Didici

    "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
    Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
    Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
    KIA Petersburg, Virginia

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    • #3
      Re: Confederate Hat Cords

      Well there was some use by officers of the gold cords, but other than that the black, blue, red, etc., were for decoration. There are several original hats with them still on it, but the majority are plain. I dont think a few being worn are out of place, but you dont want everyone in a company with them.
      Lee White
      Researcher and Historian
      "Delenda Est Carthago"
      "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings, Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!"

      http://bullyforbragg.blogspot.com/

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      • #4
        Re: Confederate Hat Cords

        Interesting topic. I have talked with re-enactors that like hat cords and some that don't. I guess the issue is not if we like them or not but are they authentic? And the answer is yes. Now I agree with the post before me that you would not want an entire company wearing them.
        I have a slouch hat that I sometimes wear a hat cord on. I have a copy of an authentic image of two soldiers (both Pvts) with the same style hat and cord as mine. That image is what I used to copy my slouch hat impression. Now some people can act as if they didn't wear them, however, they are documented in several images and some are still on the original hats today.
        Last edited by Rebelkid01; 09-15-2008, 05:26 PM.
        Cliff Kelley

        "If I had a thousand lives, I would give them all rather than betray my friends or be false to my duty" - Pvt. Sam Davis Nov. 27, 1863

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        • #5
          Re: Confederate Hat Cords

          Originally posted by Secesh View Post
          Personally, I cringe when I see reenactors with hat cords....
          I'll second that! Especially for privates.
          Regards,
          Scott Dallimore
          14th SCVI Co. I "McCalla's Rifles"
          Reedy River Mess - 16th S.C. The Greenville Rg't
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          • #6
            Re: Confederate Hat Cords

            Hi,

            I would say if you have images of the unit you are portraying, and they are wearing hat cords you should wear them. That being said, I would not recommend wearing them in a generic impression. Just my 2 cents.
            Andrew Kasmar

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            • #7
              Re: Confederate Hat Cords

              Find an image of privates William E. and Bennett Spach, 1st Battalion of North Carolina Sharpshooters. It will make some of you cringe.
              B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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              • #8
                Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                We know these are authentic, and correct to be worn in small amounts, but we must also take note that most living historians forget or neglect to purchase cords of the correct material and construction. At least this is one of the main problems that I have with individuals wearing these.
                Sean M. Lamb

                [I]"Our Reg't is composed of Germans, Dutch-Americans, and Irish they being the majority and very hard set. Our company is composed of the same stock, we can not agree very well with the Irish."[/I]
                James A. Peifer
                Co. C 46th Penna. Vol. Inf.

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                • #9
                  Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                  Thanks All,
                  I'll do some more research, I've seen many photographs with cords on hats ,I wanted to make sure they were not used to denote some particular NCO rank like say a sash might , if I decided to use it or not.
                  Bob Hutton:)

                  14th NC "Wild Cats"

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                  • #10
                    Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                    The image of the Spach brothers does show them with hat cords...HOWEVER ~ That was a specialized unit, most likely wearing headgear pertinent to that particular unit.
                    Tom "Mingo" Machingo
                    Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

                    Vixi Et Didici

                    "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
                    Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
                    Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
                    KIA Petersburg, Virginia

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                    • #11
                      Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                      Hi,

                      Is this the picture you are talking about?
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                      Andrew Kasmar

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                      • #12
                        Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                        That is the photo indeed....Early-War image, identical jackets, identical hats, identical hat cords worn off the back of the hat...It appears to be a specific Early-War uniform for this unit. That being said, and being an early image, it seems hard to justify their usage for mid to late War, anymore than one could justify the use of extensive amounts of hat brass on kepis and forage caps based on the Early-War images of the 1st Texas. Still cringing......
                        Tom "Mingo" Machingo
                        Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

                        Vixi Et Didici

                        "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
                        Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
                        Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
                        KIA Petersburg, Virginia

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                        • #13
                          Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                          There is an image of a dead confederate soldier from Ewells corp. In this image the soldier's hat with hat cord are next to him. May 20, 1864
                          Gardner Stereo #725
                          Cliff Kelley

                          "If I had a thousand lives, I would give them all rather than betray my friends or be false to my duty" - Pvt. Sam Davis Nov. 27, 1863

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                          • #14
                            Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                            Hi,

                            Here is the image Cliff is talking about.
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                            Andrew Kasmar

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                            • #15
                              Re: Confederate Hat Cords

                              Originally posted by Secesh View Post
                              The image of the Spach brothers does show them with hat cords...HOWEVER ~ That was a specialized unit, most likely wearing headgear pertinent to that particular unit.
                              It's all pretty typical NC stuff, nothing unit specific at all and its a late war image as well. The boys enlisted four months before the war ended.
                              B. G. Beall (Long Gone)

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