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    Hi,

    I am looking for information on when Federal soldiers where issued, and or used leather neckstocks. I would think that it would be more of a early war/garrison thing, but I am not sure. If there is a thread already on this subject, please let me know. Thanks

    Andrew
    Andrew Kasmar

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    Re: Leather Neckstock

    At least in the posts out here in the far West, the regulations requiring neck stocks as part of the uniform appear to have been followed well into the war and possibly well into 1866. When forming the 1st CA Infantry and Cavalry in mid-late 1861, neck stocks (as well as the army hat, brass, and feather) were specifically included as part of the equipment required for each man. When marching out from Yuma Arizona in the spring of 1862 (across the dessert to arrive at El Paso in the Fall of of 1862 general orders were issued allowing soldiers the option of wearing a cravat in lieu of the leather neck stock on the march. In late 1862-63 it was being noted on inspection reports when there was an inadequate supply of neck stocks for the men, or if they appeared for inspection without them. There is a photo from 1866 of a Sgt. of the California Volunteers on duty in Arizona with what appears to be either a neck stock or wide dark colored cravat.
    Troy Groves "AZReenactor"
    1st California Infantry Volunteers, Co. C

    So, you think that scrap in the East is rough, do you?
    Ever consider what it means to be captured by Apaches?

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    • #3
      Re: Leather Neckstock

      Hi,

      Thanks for the info. I think I would want to go with a cravat on a long march:wink_smil.


      Andrew
      Andrew Kasmar

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      • #4
        Re: Leather Neckstock

        Funny you should mention this, because I am on the hunt for a neckstock after looking closely at this series from the Library of Congress:

        http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...temp/~pp_iE5L:

        I've attached some choice close-ups of a few men from the 9th and 10th Veteran Reserve Corps who are wearing neckstocks. Of course these appear to be formal poses so you probably won't find many or any men in the field wearing stocks.
        Last edited by GreencoatCross; 07-23-2009, 06:43 PM.
        Brian White
        [URL="http://wwandcompany.com"]Wambaugh, White, & Co.[/URL]
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        • #5
          Re: Leather Neckstock

          Almost forgot:

          TITLE: Washington, District of Columbia. Company F, U.S. Veteran Reserve Corps at Washington Circle

          CALL NUMBER: LC-B817- 7910[P&P]

          REPRODUCTION NUMBER: LC-DIG-cwpb-04310 (digital file from original neg.)

          RIGHTS INFORMATION: No known restrictions on publication.

          MEDIUM: 1 negative : glass, wet collodion.

          CREATED/PUBLISHED: Apr. 10, 1865.

          This is just the first in the series. Undeniably late-war.
          Brian White
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          • #6
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            Hi,

            Brian, thanks for posting the pictures.

            Andrew
            Andrew Kasmar

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            • #7
              Re: Leather Neckstock

              US marine 1959 regulations

              "All Marines were to wear black neck-stocks, hence the nickname "Leather-Necks." These stocks, the purpose of which was to make the Marine hold his head erect, were made of black leather. A surviving stock of the era is thirteen and one-half (13 ½) inches long and two (2) inches wide. The back of this stock had a smaller strip of leather; ½ inch wide that was sewn onto the back of the stock and kept closed with a small brass buckle. Photographic evidence shows, however, that the neck-stock was rarely (if ever) worn, except with full dress."

              Steven Flibotte
              Liberty Hall Fifes and Drums
              Confederate Marines Company C./Marine Guard USS Galena
              Tidewater Maritime Living History Association

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              • #8
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                Is there anyone out there who makes a CW period neckstock other than Dell's Leatherworks?
                Brian White
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                • #9
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                  Sent you a PM on that Brian.
                  Ross L. Lamoreaux
                  rlamoreaux@tampabayhistorycenter.org


                  "...and if profanity was included in the course of study at West Point, I am sure that the Army of the Cumberland had their share of the prize scholars in this branch." - B.F. Scribner, 38th Indiana Vol Inf

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                  • #10
                    Re: Leather Neckstock

                    Hi,

                    I bought mine from Ross. It is really cool looking, but I do not think that I would want to wear it in the field.:D

                    Andrew
                    Andrew Kasmar

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by GreencoatCross View Post
                      Is there anyone out there who makes a CW period neckstock other than Dell's Leatherworks?
                      I know Don Smith of TMD makes em.
                      Troy Groves "AZReenactor"
                      1st California Infantry Volunteers, Co. C

                      So, you think that scrap in the East is rough, do you?
                      Ever consider what it means to be captured by Apaches?

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                      • #12
                        Re: Leather Neckstock

                        When I began in re-enacting with a fife and drum corps I was told that a neck stock was used as punishment for the young musicians trained on Governor's Island or somewhere to make them keep their heads up when they played. I purchased one in Billy's shop in Gettysburg a few years ago for fun that was made from black enameled leather and tied in the back instead of a leather strap. I bought it on a whim as sort of a novelty. When I wore it to an event with this fife and drum corps I was asked what i did wrong to deserve the punishment :).

                        My question is are there any examples of neck stocks that tied around the back rather than a strap? I think they look bloody cool but are rather a pain in the field.
                        Capt. Kris Larson 32°
                        Wasatch Lodge #1 F&AM Utah
                        Worshipful Master, Uintah Lodge #7 F&AM Utah
                        Camp Floyd Historic Lodge #205 F&AM Utah
                        Rocky Mountain #11 F&AM Utah
                        El Kalah Shrine

                        Co I 4th Texas
                        Iron Rooster Mess
                        [I][SIZE="1"]"Nothin's harder than a metal cock!"[/SIZE][/I]

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                        • #13
                          Re: Leather Neckstock

                          Yes, there are examples, but all prior to the 1820's. The British used some that were crosshatched leather with ties in the back, as well as the Continentals during the Revolution. The US Army used them later in the War of 1812 (some with very ornamental motifs like eagles embossed on them) through the 1820's. I believe that with the new uniforms in 1821 came about some changes in the Ordnance and Quartermaster Corps as well, and the neckstock appears to be one of those changes, going to buckles instead of ties (but there are examples of buckled stocks going back into the late 1700's as well).
                          Ross L. Lamoreaux
                          rlamoreaux@tampabayhistorycenter.org


                          "...and if profanity was included in the course of study at West Point, I am sure that the Army of the Cumberland had their share of the prize scholars in this branch." - B.F. Scribner, 38th Indiana Vol Inf

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                          • #14
                            Re: Leather Neckstock

                            I figured it was probably an earlier pattern but the guy whom I wore it for, who used to tell me to go to the local thrift store to find my shirts and "brogans" (black leather sunday shoes :)) wouldn;t know the difference. I will just have to buy me one from Dell's or Don Smith.... Darn.... :P. Thanks for the info!
                            Capt. Kris Larson 32°
                            Wasatch Lodge #1 F&AM Utah
                            Worshipful Master, Uintah Lodge #7 F&AM Utah
                            Camp Floyd Historic Lodge #205 F&AM Utah
                            Rocky Mountain #11 F&AM Utah
                            El Kalah Shrine

                            Co I 4th Texas
                            Iron Rooster Mess
                            [I][SIZE="1"]"Nothin's harder than a metal cock!"[/SIZE][/I]

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                            • #15
                              Re: Leather Neckstock

                              This is my first attempt at posting images--hopefully you'll see a picture (or a link to a picture) of two reproduction leather neck stocks--exact copies based on six original specimens in museums and private collections. Considering that the stocks were made by different contractors, there was remarkable consistency in all specimens examined.

                              Last edited by Masich; 01-04-2009, 09:25 PM. Reason: correction of URL
                              Andy Masich

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