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  • #16
    Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

    Originally posted by Jimmayo View Post
    Sooo, you would have mixed and matched buttons on a new coat?

    Does this seem logical?
    Pardon my bad english but I ment I would sew random buttons on the jacket
    Christian Thomas,
    The Salem Guard
    Appalachian Possum Mess

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    • #17
      Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

      Originally posted by BrandonEnglish View Post
      There is also this to take into consideration, with the laws after the war, how many guys took off their state seal buttons and what not because they couldn't legally wear them and threw bone, wood, cloth covered buttons on there? I certainly didn't look at every jacket in the MOC but the majority do have brass of some sort instead of the "natural" buttons.
      No doubt lots were removed...some were even taken by relic hunters. Didn't mean to suggest your info was inaccurate as I agree with it. Just trying to throw something else to consider into the conversation.

      I know the Columbus Depot purchased many wooden and bone buttons. Also, I wonder how many brass buttons were replaced by field-made wooden buttons? I believe that Fletcher in "Rebel Private Front and Rear" discusses a situation where he took a break to whittle a wooden button to replace one missing from his jacket...he is later shot and hit in that button and removes part of it from the wound. Very moving story!
      Luke Gilly
      Breckinridge Greys
      Lodge 661 F&AM


      "May the grass grow long on the road to hell." --an Irish toast

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      • #18
        Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

        Originally posted by Raven View Post
        Pardon my bad english but I ment I would sew random buttons on the jacket
        I think Jim's point was that this is a new coat...thus, why sew random buttons on when the coat hasn't been worn enough to warrant "replacement" buttons?

        When, in the natural course of its wear, you lose a button, by all means replace it with what you have available in your sewing kit, be it mis-matched or not.

        As always, as originally suggested, find out what the coat maker's original inspiration was, and go to the source to find what buttons your coat's ancestral clone had.
        Marc A. Hermann
        Liberty Rifles.
        MOLLUS, New York Commandery.
        Oliver Tilden Camp No 26, SUVCW.


        In honor of Sgt. William H. Forrest, Co. K, 114th PA Vol. Infantry. Pvt. Emanuel Hermann, 45th PA Militia. Lt. George W. Hopkins & Capt. William K. Hopkins, Co. E, 7th PA Reserves. Pvt. Joseph A. Weckerly, 72nd PA Vol. Infantry (WIA June 29, 1862, d. March 23, 1866.) Pvt. Thomas Will, 21st PA Vol. Cavalry (WIA June 18, 1864, d. July 31, 1864.)

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        • #19
          Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

          Hallo!

          I believe the fad of all mismatched buttons on new coats or jackets faded about 1988 or 1989.

          ;) :)

          Curt
          Curt Schmidt
          In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

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          • #20
            Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

            Originally posted by FranklinGuardsNYSM View Post
            I think Jim's point was that this is a new coat...thus, why sew random buttons on when the coat hasn't been worn enough to warrant "replacement" buttons?

            When, in the natural course of its wear, you lose a button, by all means replace it with what you have available in your sewing kit, be it mis-matched or not.

            As always, as originally suggested, find out what the coat maker's original inspiration was, and go to the source to find what buttons your coat's ancestral clone had.
            So are you saying I should keep the farby buttons on the jacket until they fall off?
            Christian Thomas,
            The Salem Guard
            Appalachian Possum Mess

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            • #21
              Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

              Let's try this one more time...

              1. Figure out what buttons were on the original coat yours is based on.
              2. Replace "CSA" buttons with a complete set of the buttons that are correct for that coat.
              3. If a button falls off, replace it with what you have available.
              Marc A. Hermann
              Liberty Rifles.
              MOLLUS, New York Commandery.
              Oliver Tilden Camp No 26, SUVCW.


              In honor of Sgt. William H. Forrest, Co. K, 114th PA Vol. Infantry. Pvt. Emanuel Hermann, 45th PA Militia. Lt. George W. Hopkins & Capt. William K. Hopkins, Co. E, 7th PA Reserves. Pvt. Joseph A. Weckerly, 72nd PA Vol. Infantry (WIA June 29, 1862, d. March 23, 1866.) Pvt. Thomas Will, 21st PA Vol. Cavalry (WIA June 18, 1864, d. July 31, 1864.)

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              • #22
                Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

                Originally posted by FranklinGuardsNYSM View Post
                Let's try this one more time...

                1. Figure out what buttons were on the original coat yours is based on.
                2. Replace "CSA" buttons with a complete set of the buttons that are correct for that coat.
                3. If a button falls off, replace it with what you have available.
                Oh!!!!!! okay now it makes since. I guess I got some more researching to do.
                Christian Thomas,
                The Salem Guard
                Appalachian Possum Mess

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                • #23
                  Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

                  Hello,

                  What people are saying is......

                  1. CSA buttons are rare

                  2. If your coat is based off an original coat can you find out what buttons were on it and use them

                  3. Eagle buttons or block I would be a good replacement choice if #2 can not be met.

                  Is it possible for you to take a picture of your frock and post it here. I think this would be a good idea as the coats authenticity is a little questionable from your description.

                  As to common buttons I would like to point out that when looking at the picture of CS dead at the Rose Farm at Gettysburg I remember seeing at least one jacket with wood buttons. Wood buttons turned up in other cs dead images as well. At one time I was looking at all the dead CS images I could find that i could zoom in on the buttons. Sounds crazy but I had fun doing it.

                  I also would like to point out coin buttons (flat brass buttons). Tons of these have been dug up. Right Jim Mayo? I was a little surprised they were not included in the top 3 most common CS jacket buttons.

                  As for CS soldiers not being able to have state seal buttons on their jackets after the war.... I have not heard of that before.
                  Paul Herring

                  Liberty Hall Fifes and Drums
                  Stonewall Brigade

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                  • #24
                    Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

                    Hi,

                    I also would like to point out coin buttons (flat brass buttons). Tons of these have been dug up. Right Jim Mayo? I was a little surprised they were not included in the top 3 most common CS jacket buttons.
                    CS government did supply these, at least in the Trans-Mississippi Theater.

                    Andrew
                    Andrew Kasmar

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                    • #25
                      Re: My Frock Coats Buttons

                      And original flat brass coin buttons are pretty cheap. I always find them at antique shows, flea markets for about 2 bucks a pop many with the makers stamp on the back. Kind of nice having original period buttons on a coat that aren't worth a small fortune :)
                      Brandon English

                      "There is many a boy here today who looks on war as all glory, but, boys, it is all hell."--William T. Sherman

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