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    I ran across this courtesy of http://www.civilwarmysteries.com/illinois.htm It appears to have a very light shade of blue..?? maybe it's my eyes :p

    The owner of this image tells us the revenue stamp dates this image to 1865 and possibly from Ill or MI
    [SIZE=2][B]Mark Mason[/B][/SIZE] :cool:
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    Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

    Looks like the entire image is pretty light and washed out. I think that is the culprit.

    I like the fat guy at the bottom! I better put on some weight!
    Ryan B.Weddle

    7th New York State Militia

    "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes" - Henry David Thoreau

    "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
    – George Washington , 1789

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    • #3
      Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

      Two things can make a "dark blue" coat look like this...

      1. Intense direct sunlight on the photo subject. I've got some glass plate images of myself that are pretty washed out like that. I'm not an expert on period photography but I've seen it happen.

      2. A lighter shade on the coat. Fact of the matter is, "dark blue" uniforms weren't always as dark as we think. If I could figure out how to post a picture on this forum I'd share a few. (...little help!)

      Cheers.

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      • #4
        Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV



        The photo in question.



        If he were an officer, I would say he was VRC, like Lt John Bassler of the 4th VRCR here.
        Robert Johnson

        "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



        In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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        • #5
          Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

          Originally posted by Company Tailor
          If I could figure out how to post a picture on this forum I'd share a few. (...little help!)
          Patrick:

          When you are in the post authoring screen, scroll down past the smiles and "submit reply" buttons. Down there you will find a "mange attachments" button. Click that and a pop-up window will appear that allows you to browse your hard drive for the appropriate photo files. When they are located and appear in the file extension boxes, click "upload." And, if all goes as planned, you're done!

          --Jim
          [FONT=microsoftsansserif][SIZE=2]James R. Pfeiffer

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          • #6
            Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

            Does anybody think that it could be a private purchase non regulation VRC dress coat? It would suprize me alot, because to my knowlege the VRC officers were rather strick, as per Alfred Ballards accounts, with wearing regulation clothing.
            Robert Johnson

            "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



            In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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            • #7
              Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

              Rob,

              Thanks for posting the picture I was refering too..I'm a bit slow

              I just thoouht it interesting and can agre with the "washed out" or bright light"

              kind of odd how the podium retained a darker hue. We know the varied shades of blue in fatigue blouses, stands to reason uniform coats could be subjected to the same, though not as common?
              [SIZE=2][B]Mark Mason[/B][/SIZE] :cool:
              [SIZE=2][I]Tar Water Mess[/I][/SIZE]
              [SIZE=2][I]GHTI[/I][/SIZE]
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              • #8
                Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

                One thing that we also need to consider is the fact that the photographic process during the time doesn't capture colors to shades that we "think" they should or do reflect. As an example - yellow. When compared to blue we think of yellow as a lighter color and should show up as a lighter color in period photos, right? So, what color does yellow photograph in period photos? The color yellow prints as BLACK in period photos!

                Want a good example? Everyone grab there EOG-Confederate at turn to page 120. Look at the Mosby double-breasted shell jacket: yellow facings. Now, look at the photo of the Colonel wearing that same jacket on the next page. Hummmmmm. His facings look to be the same color as his boots.

                I have another good example...if someone will explain to me how to post photos to these boards.

                Patrick Craddock
                PATRICK CRADDOCK
                Prometheus No. 851
                Franklin, Tennessee
                Widows' Sons Mess
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                Aut Bibat Aut Abeat

                Can't fix stupid... Johnny Lloyd

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                • #9
                  Re: Interesting CDVs

                  The last no ID'D Illinois Fed on that page (holding musket, seated with gear on and forage cap) looks very familar to an ID'D image of a 32nd Illinois soldier that was published in Military Images in 1990.

                  Big-banded honkin musket, linen (?) sling to drum canteen, forage cap, cap pouch with rivet (?) and short jacket with epaulettes.

                  Seen a couple other images of Illinois soldiers (usually 30-something numbered regiments) with that type of sling. Even Gov. Joe Fifer!

                  Neat!

                  John Pillers
                  imaskulker

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                  My two cents, the images is just 'washed out' and its a regular dress coat.
                  John Pillers
                  Looking for images/accounts of 7th through 12th Ill. Inf. regiments from April 1861 - April 1862

                  'We're putting the band back together'

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                  • #10
                    Re:

                    It's slight but in the original photo we're talking about their is a shade difference between the frock and the trowsers .... I think he is just wearing a standard uniform and the photo is washed out.

                    Just for fun, while the VRC topic is being knocked around, check out this close up from: http://memory.loc.gov/service/pnp/cwpb/04100/04194v.jpg

                    It is the hanging of Henry Wirz in Washington, in November of 1865. There were several photos taken during this event. This particular photo shows clearly VRC troops on the platform as Wirz sentence is being read....

                    You can see the difference in color, etc....
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                    Ryan B.Weddle

                    7th New York State Militia

                    "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes" - Henry David Thoreau

                    "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
                    – George Washington , 1789

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                    • #11
                      Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

                      Posting this picture is not a green light to seek out light/sky-blue shades of uniform coats. I do have a hard time agreeing this image is WASHED OUT, The image process does not allow fading over the years. Maybe Wendell Decker or others could enlighten us. (no pun intended) :p

                      perhaps, when things like this show up, it contradicts our preconception of of the "norm" during the war.

                      I wonder if this guy would be kicked from our ranks for wearing hat brass ? :D
                      [SIZE=2][B]Mark Mason[/B][/SIZE] :cool:
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                      • #12
                        Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

                        A group of Confederate officers at Ft. Gaines...
                        Last edited by Bushrod Carter; 04-28-2007, 06:47 AM.
                        PATRICK CRADDOCK
                        Prometheus No. 851
                        Franklin, Tennessee
                        Widows' Sons Mess
                        www.craftsmansapron.com

                        Aut Bibat Aut Abeat

                        Can't fix stupid... Johnny Lloyd

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                        • #13
                          Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

                          And now a color photo of the same group of officers.

                          Notice any color differences in the shading of the uniform coats: color photo vs. ambrotype?
                          Last edited by Bushrod Carter; 04-28-2007, 06:47 AM.
                          PATRICK CRADDOCK
                          Prometheus No. 851
                          Franklin, Tennessee
                          Widows' Sons Mess
                          www.craftsmansapron.com

                          Aut Bibat Aut Abeat

                          Can't fix stupid... Johnny Lloyd

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                          • #14
                            Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

                            Mr. Craddock,
                            I believe the AC will only allow the posting of quality living historians,
                            Patrick Landrum
                            Independent Rifles

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                            • #15
                              Re: Interesting shade frock coat CDV

                              One more reason to belive that the image is playing tricks with light; is that the dress hat, also looks very light in color. Unless of course the dress hat wasnt black..... :sarcastic
                              Robert Johnson

                              "Them fellers out thar you ar goin up against, ain't none of the blue-bellied, white-livered Yanks and sassidge-eatin'forrin' hirelin's you have in Virginny that run atthe snap of a cap - they're Western fellers, an' they'll mighty quick give you a bellyful o' fightin."



                              In memory of: William Garry Co.H 5th USCC KIA 10/2/64 Saltville VA.

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