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    I need some help here fellers. I have tackled something a bit tough to research. I have searched and searched (books and engines) and I have only been able to come up with one concrete source...thanks to Matthew Rector. I have been trying to find sources to where an infantry officer carried a cavalry sword in battle. I heard people say they did, but I am looking for facts. I am working on an impression for an event down the road, but if there is not enough sources, I am not going to go through with it. Here is the only source I got as of now:


    Captain Edgar M. Ruhl, of Company D, was born at Shrewsbury, Pa., June 14, 1841, and was a son of Major N. G. Ruhl. He entered Company D as Second Sergeant in September, 1861, was promoted to First Sergeant May n, 1862, to Second Lieutenant Oct. 25, 1862, to First Lieutenant May 10, 1863, and to Captain April 20, 1864. During the fall of 1863 and the early months of 1864, he served as an aide on the staff of General French, commanding the Third Corps. Captain Ruhl was in command of Company D during the campaign of 1864, and was a brave and fearless officer. When the regiment returned home at the expiration of its term of service, he remained with the re-enlisted men and the new recruits who were formed into a battalion, and he was made its commander. Early in the morning of Oct. 19, 1864, while firing a revolver, brandishing his sword and urging on his men to aid the other forces m resisting a sudden attack of the enemy at Cedar Creek, Virginia, Captain Ruhl was struck by a minie ball, which passed through his body, severing a large artery. He threw up his hands and said, "Boys, its all up with me." He died a few mmutes later. Some of his men carried his body to the rear and secured his sword and some valuables which he had in his pockets and sent them home. When the Union forces retreated from the field, Captain Ruhl's body fell into the hands of the enemy. But when the army, upon the arrival of Sheridan, moved forward in the afternoon his comrades recovered the body and gave it a temporary burial. It was afterward removed to Shrewsbury, Pa., and buried there with military honors. The loss of Captain Ruhl was deeply felt. He was held in high favor among all his men. Captain Edgar M. Ruhl Camp Sons of Veterans at York, Pa., is named in honor of him. A lifesize portrait of Captain Ruhl adorns one of the walL of the camp room. The cavalry saber carried by him when he was killed, was presented to the Camp by Chaplain Eberhart, who had picked it up from a battle field and loaned it to Captain JRuhl while the latter's sword was being repaired in Baltimore.

    George Reeser, History of the Eighty-Seventh Regiment, Pennsylvania Volunteers (York, PA: Press of the York Daily, 1903), 302-303.


    Any help or direction would be great. Thank guys!
    Micah Trent
    Tar Water Mess/Mess No. 1
    Friends of Perryville Battlefield State Historic Site

  • #2
    Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

    If my memory serves me correctly, Frances Barlow wore a Cav sabre when he commanded the 61st NY and when he was promoted to Brig General. I'll check on that for you later this evening.
    Matt Lovejoy

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    • #3
      Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

      Micah,
      I don't have any of the specifics, but I do know that one of the company officers of the 82nd Ohio that served at the Battle of McDowell carried a cavalry sabre. I only know this because one of my pards asked to borrow one from me for his impression for one of the versions of the event.

      Not much to go on, but maybe someone has the research from the event still kicking around?

      Take care,
      Tom Craig
      Tom Craig

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      • #4
        Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

        Lovejoy, I have heard that as well. If memory serves correct it was a German Cav. Sabre.
        James Duffney
        61st NY
        Brave Peacock Mess

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        • #5
          Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

          Hallo!



          Curt
          Curt Schmidt
          In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

          -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
          -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
          -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
          -Vastly Ignorant
          -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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          • #6
            Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

            Curt,

            I have seen that photo a million times and I never paid attention to that. Thanks.

            Thanks for input here guys. If you have more, please share.
            Micah Trent
            Tar Water Mess/Mess No. 1
            Friends of Perryville Battlefield State Historic Site

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            • #7
              Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

              Should be noted though that all the officers in that shot were at least Brig. Generals. I would assume your looking for Field and Line grade examples.
              Leland Hares, 10th Tennessee (U.S.)

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              • #8
                Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                Originally posted by 10TnVI View Post
                Should be noted though that all the officers in that shot were at least Brig. Generals. I would assume your looking for Field and Line grade examples.
                Leland,

                I will be portraying a Lieutenant. I should have thrown that in earlier. Sorry about that. But any proof as far as officers go is what I am look ing for as for right now. Thanks.
                Micah Trent
                Tar Water Mess/Mess No. 1
                Friends of Perryville Battlefield State Historic Site

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                • #9
                  Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                  I recall reading somewhere that Barlow carried it because "it was the biggest he could find, and was excellent for whacking skulkers"...
                  Tom "Mingo" Machingo
                  Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

                  Vixi Et Didici

                  "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
                  Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
                  Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
                  KIA Petersburg, Virginia

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                  • #10
                    Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                    Micah,

                    I asked this question of some pards not long ago. There is, in my opinion, enough evidence to support your using a cav saber as an infantry lieutenant. As recently as two weeks ago, "bigmick45" on Ebay had very nice repros of both enlisted and officer US M1860 cav sabers. Check 'em out!

                    I hate walking with a dang sword hanging from my hip and clattering about my legs. What keeps me from taking the plunge on a cav sword is the worry that the extra length would only make that problem worse.

                    Best of Luck to You!!
                    John Wickett
                    Former Carpetbagger
                    Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                      John,

                      When I was newly minted Lt. in the dark ages of 1989, I was loaned a saber to carry for my first event. I tripped over it during drill, formations and battles. It was like riding a stick horse all weekend. And it was HEAVY.
                      Joe Smotherman

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                      • #12
                        Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                        Hallo!

                        Does anyone have the full image version of this crop I made of the officers of the 114th PA (Collis')?

                        (I was interested in the colonel's trousers, and cropped the image. A few years ago a virus got through my fancy Norton security and killed about 2,000of my saved CW and WWI reference images.)



                        Curt
                        Curt Schmidt
                        In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

                        -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
                        -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
                        -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
                        -Vastly Ignorant
                        -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                          Does anyone make those fake boot tops like he is wearing? I've seen them dozens of times in images, but never at an event. Underrepresented!! WooHoo!
                          Joe Smotherman

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                          • #14
                            Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                            Originally posted by PogueMahone View Post
                            It was like riding a stick horse all weekend. And it was HEAVY.
                            Exactly what I envisioned! :tounge_sm

                            On the boot tops...
                            I don't think that officer is wearing false boot tops... but I know what you're talking about and have always thought they would be a neat item to see properly reproduced!!!
                            John Wickett
                            Former Carpetbagger
                            Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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                            • #15
                              Re: Infantry Officers Carrying Cavalry Swords

                              Hallo!

                              One needs to constantly "steer" a sword or sabre like a long rudder on a boat.... ;) :)

                              IMHO, not so much false boot tops, but rather "false boots."
                              Look at his (shoe or low boot) toe peeking out?



                              Curt
                              Curt Schmidt
                              In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

                              -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
                              -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
                              -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
                              -Vastly Ignorant
                              -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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