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    Dress Hat Ventilators

    Does anyone have any information/documention of Dress Hat ventilators and how wide spread their use was? I am sure there was much variation in there construction and placement. I have come across one hat attributed to the 2nd Wisconsin. Personally I think the ventilators on that hat resemble gum blanket grommets. There is another one on the other side of the corps badge that is not shown in the image. Image is attached.
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    Last edited by Duff; 06-11-2009, 09:13 PM.
    James Duffney
    61st NY
    Brave Peacock Mess
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    Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

    Personally im fond of the ventilators on the top of the hat.:tounge_sm
    Jesse Parsons
    -37th Virginia Infantry-
    -Wampus Cats Mess-
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    • #3
      Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

      Although they don't look like the ventilators on that dress hat, Tim Sheads at S&S has what I presume are another type of ventilator. They're kept in a plastic box among accoutrement/equipment hardware.

      They are round with three "spokes" and folding flanges on the underside. The ones I have are Japanned. All you have to do is cut holes into your hat and push the flanges in; fold them out and the lip of the vent itself will keep it sandwiched against your hat.
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      • #4
        Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

        It definitely looks like a grommet. I've seen those on other hats too but can't seem to find any images right now.

        I'm not sure what S&S has for sale but if they are like the repro ones in the pics I posted, I believe those to be post war. I'm not sure when they first started using ventilators of that style but they definitely show up in Indian/Span-Am war helmets. The photo is a circa 1900 NYNG cork helmet with that style of ventilator. I've never been able to find them in any CW photo or artifact, but I'm by no means an expert and have not seen 'everything'!
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        • #5
          Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

          Not to hijack the thread, but look at the "elegant" sewing job on the corps badge. Something to think about when making frequent corps badge changes.

          Ron Myzie

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          • #6
            Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

            Bill,

            Nuts....now I have to get rid of those and leave the holes or put grommets into my hat!
            Brian White
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            • #7
              Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

              The hat in the first post was worn by Philander Wright of Co. C of the 2nd Wisconsin Infantry. It's housed in the Wisconsin Veterans' Museum, and as far as I'm aware, pictures of it have appeared in at least two books, US Army Headgear 1812-1972 by Langellier and Loane, and Warman's Civil War Field Guide by John F. Graf.

              Having been lucky enough to see the Wright hat in person one time, I would agree that the 'ventilators' are grommets, and I believe that is the opinion of the staff of the Veterans' Museum as well.
              Andy Ackeret
              A/C Staff
              Mess No. 3 / Hard Head Mess / O.N.V

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              • #8
                Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

                Are there more "grommets" or "ventilators" in the hat? (there is only 1 view that we can see) Perhaps there is another on the backside of the hat that we can't see in the pic.
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                • #9
                  Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

                  Yes there is another one on the other side of the corps badge
                  James Duffney
                  61st NY
                  Brave Peacock Mess

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dress Hat Ventilators

                    Some more original headgear with ventilation of some sort:

                    http://historical.ha.com/common/view...o=57426&src=pr This one was worn by Gen. Banks. He apparently poked holes in the side then sewed them up and put ventilators in their place. There are also holes punched into the top of the hat.

                    http://historical.ha.com/common/view...o=57432&src=pr This hat has a small grommet installed at the very top of the crown.
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