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    I am a german livin historian, reenacting the war between the states as a member of the Fifth VaVolInf.

    The discussion is going the way that for an authentic RD II- shell JeanCloth should be the one and only fabric.

    But there is documentation for the use of other fabric too:
    The surviving jacket was worn by Sergeant E.C.N. Green of the 47th North Carolina State Troops. Sergeant Green was killed on July 1, 1863 at Gettysburg. While North Carolina did supply many of their own troops with state manufactured uniforms, Green's jacket does not conform to North Carolina issue jackets that still exist.
    Sergeant Green's jacket is made from a fine quality cadet gray wool cloth and is lined with light brown Silesia in the body and light blue cotton in the sleeves. There is ¼" dark blue cotton tape trim on the collar, shoulder straps and cuffs.
    Another jacket that has been identified as coming from the Richmond Depot is that worn by George H. T. Greer, who was Military Secretary to General Jubal A. Early. Greer was apparently wearing this jacket when he was wounded on September 17, 1863 at Summerville Ford, Virginia.The jacket is made from thin cadet gray wool with an unusual weave. It has a six-piece body with two-piece sleeves and is lined with the usual cotton osnaburg. It does have belt loops and was made with shoulder straps, which were apparently cut off by the owner. In a departure from the average Richmond Depot Type II jacket is this jacket's six-button front.

    Throughout the war, especially after the fall of 1863, wool kersey was imported by the Confederacy for the manufacture of uniforms. One of the more prevalent types of bulk cloth brought into the South - particularly after the winter of 1863 - was dark blue-gray kersey "English Army Cloth". This "English Army Cloth" was also described by contemporary authors as "English wool", "army cloth" and sometimes just "English Goods".

    Is there a difference between the cadet-grey-kersey/Broadcloth used for the early-to midwar-shells like the green & greer jackets and the imported english darkblue-kersey ??

    May I use a FHW or CC-cadetgrey(The one they offer for Taits and RD III) for a historical correct and authentic Richmond Depot Type II shelljacket?

    If someone can give me some help would be great.

    Regards

    Ingo Rolletter

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    Re: Cadet-grey RD II/RD III-Shells

    Ingo,

    I, myself, am no expert on this issue but some research is available at http://www.stonewallbrigade.com/articles.html

    Hope this helps
    Mike "Dusty" Chapman

    Member: CWT, CVBT, NTHP, MOC, KBA, Stonewall Jackson House, Mosby Heritage Foundation

    "I would have posted this on the preservation folder, but nobody reads that!" - Christopher Daley

    The AC was not started with the beginner in mind. - Jim Kindred

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      Re: Cadet-grey RD II/RD III-Shells



      Read that and it should answer all your questions! Basically though, YES! You would be well within the bounds of authenticity to use imported woolens for an RDII for 1863-1865 ANV impressions.
      Ryan B.Weddle

      7th New York State Militia

      "Beware of all enterprises that require new clothes" - Henry David Thoreau

      "The willingness with which our young people are likely to serve in any war, no matter how justified, shall be directly proportional as to how they perceive the Veterans of earlier wars were treated and appreciated by their country."
      – George Washington , 1789

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        Re: Cadet-grey RD II/RD III-Shells

        Hello,

        «*May I use a FHW or CC-cadetgrey(The one they offer for Taits and RD III) for a historical correct and authentic Richmond Depot Type II shelljacket?*»

        I am not an expert but I think remember the RD made his stuff with what it had on hand at the moment.
        Mostly jean cloth but also cassimere or kersey.
        The dark blue-grey imported kersey is characteristic of the rd3 but he was probably also in use for the transitional shells between rd2 and rd3.
        I am nearly sure you are not wrong with a rd2 (epaulets and belts loops) made in blue-grey Irish imported kersey but it may be controversial : it was surely made but…not primary source to prove it ! ;)

        «*Is there a difference between the cadet-grey-kersey/Broadcloth used for the early-to midwar-shells like the green & greer jackets and the imported english darkblue-kersey ??*»

        Speaking of color, Cadet grey is the color of the cadets uniforms : a light blue-grey.
        Very different of the dark blue-grey of the rd3.
        I think the cloth sold by FHW and CC may not be call «*cadet grey*».
        Speaking cloth, broadcloth is probably too expensive for a mid to late war time depot shell jacket. It is better for a private purchase, either for an officer or a private.

        Jean-Marc «*Blum*» Atlan
        [I]Gettysburg 1993
        Red River Campaign, April 3-9 1994[/I]

        Jean-Marc "Blum" Atlan

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