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  • #1

    Belt loops on CS jackets

    Hello all,
    I was wondering...has anyone ever come across any account of CS troops actually using the belt loops on their shell jackets? I personally have never come across a single account indicating usage....thanks.
    Tom "Mingo" Machingo
    Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

    Vixi Et Didici

    "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
    Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
    Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
    KIA Petersburg, Virginia
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  • #2
    Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

    Load your box with 40 lead balls without a cartridge box belt and the waist belt loops will be your best friend. While it is not something that would be documented it is something that would have happened often.
    Eric Stephenson

    [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]The Company of Military Historians[/URL]
    [URL="http://lodge245.doylestownmasons.org/"]Doylestown Masonic Lodge No. 245 Free and Accepted Masons[/URL]

    "Captain Dike is in the hands of some brother Masons, and to the Order he owes his life." OR s.I v.II

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    • #3
      Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

      Originally posted by Secesh View Post
      Hello all,
      ........CS troops actually using the belt loops on their shell jackets? I........
      Eric, he's talking about the waist belt loops on roundabouts, RDIIs, shell jackets, etc. not the ones on the back of a cartidge box.
      [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=3]Michael Phillips, GGG Grandson of
      Pvt Edmond Phillips, 44th NCT, Co E, "The Turtle Paws"[/SIZE]
      [SIZE=2]Mustered in March 1862
      Paroled at Appomattox C.H. Virginia, April 15, 1865[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

      [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=Navy][B]"Good, now we'll have news from Hell before breakfast."[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
      Was Gen Sherman's response upon hearing the capture and execution of 3 reporters who had followed from Atlanta, by the rebels.
      The execution part turned out to be false.[COLOR=DarkRed] [B]Dagg Nabbit![/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

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      • #4
        Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

        I am also referring to the belt loops on the jacket. With 5 pounds riding on your waist belt it will start to fall on the march. Modern waists provide a good tension point but period waists would not. I have used the belt loops often on my RDII's. Reenactors forget how heavy a cartridge box would be.
        Eric Stephenson

        [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]The Company of Military Historians[/URL]
        [URL="http://lodge245.doylestownmasons.org/"]Doylestown Masonic Lodge No. 245 Free and Accepted Masons[/URL]

        "Captain Dike is in the hands of some brother Masons, and to the Order he owes his life." OR s.I v.II

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        • #5
          Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

          just a makin' sure we're all on the same sheet!
          [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=3]Michael Phillips, GGG Grandson of
          Pvt Edmond Phillips, 44th NCT, Co E, "The Turtle Paws"[/SIZE]
          [SIZE=2]Mustered in March 1862
          Paroled at Appomattox C.H. Virginia, April 15, 1865[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=Navy][B]"Good, now we'll have news from Hell before breakfast."[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
          Was Gen Sherman's response upon hearing the capture and execution of 3 reporters who had followed from Atlanta, by the rebels.
          The execution part turned out to be false.[COLOR=DarkRed] [B]Dagg Nabbit![/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

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          • #6
            Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

            I have looked through Les Jensens book "Johnny Reb: The Uniform of the Confederate army, 1861-1865" and a few are possibly wearing the belt through the loops as the height would be right, but with the arms down it is impossible to tell conclusively. I think the soldier on page 58 with the georgia frame is wearing it through the loops.
            Eric Stephenson

            [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]The Company of Military Historians[/URL]
            [URL="http://lodge245.doylestownmasons.org/"]Doylestown Masonic Lodge No. 245 Free and Accepted Masons[/URL]

            "Captain Dike is in the hands of some brother Masons, and to the Order he owes his life." OR s.I v.II

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            • #7
              Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

              Howdy,

              I was just looking in a copy of Rod Gragg's "Covered with Glory: the 26th North Carolina Regiment at Gettysburg" when I spotted an image of interest in the photograph section. There is a drawing, evidently of the men of the 26th at prayer during the Gettysburg Campaign, done by a veteran. Two of the fellows clearly have belt loops on the side/back of their jackets (and possibly a third).

              cheers,
              James "Archie" Marshall
              The Buzzard Club (Saltmakers for the south)
              Tampa, FL

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              • #8
                Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

                Originally posted by estephenson View Post
                Load your box with 40 lead balls without a cartridge box belt and the waist belt loops will be your best friend. While it is not something that would be documented it is something that would have happened often.

                Same principal when carrying a sword bayonet unless you have a riflemans belt and knapsack on. I always used the jacket belt loops, at least on my left side when carrying the repro sword bayonet.
                Jim Mayo

                Portsmouth Rifles, 9th Va. Inf.
                http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/9va/rifles1.html

                CW show & tell.
                http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/j_mayo/index.html

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                • #9
                  Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

                  Hallo!

                  Which is also used as one of the reasons, aside from resources and time, Richmond Depot came to omit the waistbelt and shoulder "loops."

                  IMHO, IF there were more Confederate field and studio images where this could be seen, we might would see more documented usage.

                  Curt
                  Curt Schmidt
                  In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

                  -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
                  -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
                  -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
                  -Vastly Ignorant
                  -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Belt loops on CS jackets

                    I'm sure there are still pics floating about the internet somewhere of the Louisiana soldier's homemade jacket worn on the Red River Campaign where he (or had someone else) cut off the gold-trimmed epaulets and had them reinstalled as belt loops on the waist of the jacket.
                    Phil Graf

                    Can't some of our good friends send us some tobacco? We intend to "hang up our stockings." if they can't send tobacco, please send us the seed, and we will commence preparing the ground; for we mean to defend this place till h-ll freezes over, and then fight the Yankees on the ice.

                    Private Co. A, Cook's Reg't, Galveston Island.

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