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Should you wear your overshirt inside or outside of your trowsers? I always wear mine inside, with my belt around pants and overshirt and everything, despite the lack of belt loops on my correctly made trowsers. Perhaps the overshirt should be outside of the trowsers, with suspenders used as they always are?
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[FONT="Book Antiqua"]Carl Anderton[/FONT]
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
I think there are photos that show both methods.
I would have to look but I think there is an image of the 2nd RI wearing their overshirts and they are out of the pants. And then there are images of soldiers wearing them tucked in.Greg Bullock
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
2nd Rhode Island Inf image (taken from page: http://www.old-picture.com/civil-war...d-Infantry.jpg)
1859 image of Immortal 10 and John Doy
Texas ConfederateGreg Bullock
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Hallo!
I am not 100% sure of what is being asked here?
In brief and to over-generalize...
Social conventions, ethnicities, nationalities, occupations, and soldier work or fatigue details aside, the shirt is an under garment worn "tucked into" the trousers.
But then there are essentially "shirts" worn as outer garments such as workers' smocks/frocks, sundry "blouses" such has the "Rhode Island Blouse," and last but not least the CW era fashion of the so-called "Querrilla Shirt" or "Battle Shirt" (that one seens out and/or in).
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CurtCurt Schmidt
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
From a truth and accuracy in representation perspective.....
The dearth of proper civilian coats ready for purchase and consumption by the hobby have driven the overshirt tucked into trousers with a roller belt to be the en vogue for the ACW military reenactor building a civilian impression on a budget. The pictures and known societal norms support a class appropriate coat overwhelmingly outside of labor.Comment
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Dear Curt,Originally posted by Curt-Heinrich Schmidt View Post
I'll refer you to my first sentance, "Should an overshirt be worn inside or outside of you trowsers."
I realize there are different kinds of overshirts and different impressions calling for overshirts, but the basic question seems pretty straight-forward.[FONT="Book Antiqua"]Carl Anderton[/FONT]
[FONT="Franklin Gothic Medium"][SIZE="2"]"A very good idea of the old style of playing may be formed by referring to the [I]Briggs Banjo Instructor."[/I][/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT="Palatino Linotype"][B]Albert Baur, Sgt., Co. A, 102nd Regiment, NY Volunteer Infantry.[/B][/FONT]Comment
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Hallo!
I'm your Huckleberry. :)
"I'll refer you to my first sentance, "Should an overshirt be worn inside or outside of you trowsers."
One should make allowances, as I am playing with four broken ribs here, but
I see your bid...
And raise you my sentence, and refer you to the answer that answered the question:
"In brief and to over-generalize...
Social conventions, ethnicities, nationalities, occupations, and soldier work or fatigue details aside, the shirt is an under garment worn "tucked into" the trousers."
;) :)
Curt
Just a-playin' MessCurt Schmidt
In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt
-Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
-Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
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-Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.Comment
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
"Hallo!
I am not 100% sure on what is being asked here?
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Curt"
Heck Carl, question seemed pretty evident to me, thought you were pretty straight forward on it actually.__________________
Jon Preston
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5th Kentucky Infantry
F & AM Chandlersville #858, Kentucky
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Where's the confusion? It seems pretty clear that Carl is looking for the most P/E/C way to sport an overshirt during the 1860s. But, it would probably be best if there was clarity to if the question is for civilian or military. But, being as this question was posted in the military section, let's just go with Carl is asking what is the most common way that an overshirt was worn when performing military duties/functions, etc.
Because we're discussing and focusing on those who were soldiers, all that I can reference is the photos, drawings and the like that I have seen. Now, there's always exceptions to the rule, but just simply going off what I have seen in period images of early war volunteers - both North and South - along with militiamen, civilians organized into military companies, and so on, wearing your shirt tucked into your trousers would be (in my opinion) the most P/E/C way to wear an overshirt. These men were not wearing smocks, but rather shirts, and to the extent of what was already posted on here by someone else, wearing them tucked in seemed to be the thing to do. Even in the Trans-Mississippi when the Confederacy were issuing cotton shirts to the men in the field because that was the best that could be done at the time, drawings of Confederates in the field show them with their shirts tucked into their trousers.
From gold miners in the 1840s, to Bleeding Kansas, to the painting of Bingham, to the volunteers of 1861 and the Trans-Miss. Confederates in late 1863, wearing shirts tucked into the trousers - in my opinion based upon the photos, drawings, paintings, etc. that I have personally seen - would be the best way to sport an overshirt.Nic Clark
2017 - 24 years in the hobby
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Hallo!
Pards, it looks like I may need to give out numbers for my detractors to stand in line here.
;) :) :)
"Social conventions, ethnicities, nationalities, occupations, and soldier work or fatigue details aside, the shirt is an under garment worn "tucked into" the trousers."
One possible answer, based upon my reading and understanding of the question.
:)
Otay... when a person posts there are:
1. what the person thought was said
2. what others thought was said
3. what was actually said
Why I was not "100%" was that I was not, in my own head, clear on the denotation and connotation of the term "overshirt" as with other words in the 19th century such as "frock" can carry more than one meaning. And we can
look at the issue shirt, querrilla shirts, battle shirts, firemen's shirts, miner's shirts, etc., that might would affect answers or the answer Herr Carl.
By saying that I was not 100% clear on what was being asked was not an attack or aspersion on Herr Carl; it was instead (seemingly) a failed attempt to help ensure he got the right answer(s).
Please note the multiple use of emoticons here, and also note that the line forms on the left.
:)
Curt
A few weeks ago at this exact moment lying in intensive care, wired for sound, back from the dead, and with four broken ribs wondering what I am doing sitting here MessCurt Schmidt
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Dang Boys! We got a squared off place around here, and yall can just spit over piece of firewood and go at it!:wink_smil
A plethora of possiblities could play in here and I think they have all been presented very well by everyone interested. Personally, I would suggest looking at pictures, pictures, and more...pictures. However, it is sometimes hard to tell if someone is wearing an overshirt or they just have a banded collar shirt with a detachable white collar. I wear a battle shirt sometimes, and often ponder this same question of how to wear the stinkin thing. What works best for me is stuffing it into the trousers and then wearing a belt (civilian or military) to help keep my "drawers" up w/o braces.
I reacon the best way to approach it is, well, how do you want to wear it for comfort, look, etc. by documenting it with photos.
For the mean time lets all go up on Wolverton Mountain and have a sip of that good ole' Arkansas wine!:tounge_sm
Erik McBroomChristopher E. McBroom, Capt.
16th Ark. Infantry - 1st Arkansas Battalion, C.S.A.
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How to use emoticons
Hallo!
"For the mean time lets all go up on Wolverton Mountain and have a sip of that good ole' Arkansas wine."
Is that the wine named "What does research and documentation show for the man, unit, time, and place of the impression?"
:) :) :) :) :)
Curt
Bottle of wine, fruit of the vine MessCurt Schmidt
In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt
-Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
-Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
-Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
-Vastly Ignorant
-Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.Comment
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
I reckon that most fellas that set about wearing an overshirt woulda done so in a way they were most comfortable (or just thought it looked spiffy). It seems that photographic, and other evidence suggest that it was done both ways. I would just do it as you feel comfortable. Now, with that said, for my money a good civilian jacket would be a better choice for a later civilian impression. Just my .02!;)-Ricky Jones
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A little off the subject but I would swear the young Texan depicted in Greg Bullock's earlier post is wearing a Louisiana Plate of the type shown in my attachment. Great photo Greg.Bob Williams
26th North Carolina Troops
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Re: How to wear an overshirt.
Here are some guys from the 4th VA who all seem to have the same style shirt on, and they all appear to be tucked in.
Greg Bullock
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