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**fedhead** · 02-21-2010, 05:35 AM

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thank you, a very interesting piece of research one question whats leather cloth?

300 yds Leather Cloth @ $1.00 yd

i believe that knapsacks were being produced painted and unpainted and you also read of enameled knapsacks perhaps that could be the reason why there are varying costs.

**lthull3rdla** · 02-21-2010, 07:35 AM

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this has been an interesting read for sure. Everyone knows of Horter Magee and George, and about Magee and George. And they used stamps on thier leather gear. I wonder if there is a surviving example of the work of Magee and Kneass that shows that identifying stamp? That would be cool to see.

***brown*** · 02-21-2010, 08:48 AM

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Great info, thanks for posting.

I love how many entries you read before the first cap pouch listing. Does anyone know the arms of these early units? Are they arming with flintlocks, thus not requiring cap pouches, or is firm firm not set up to produce them and the men are carrying caps in their pockets?

**rlhardingjr** · 02-21-2010, 03:25 PM

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All..,

I found the same interesting questions as I flipped through page after page of documents and requisitions sent to Magee & Kneas; Magee, Horter & George and finally Magee and George. I too was intrigued by the amount of goods purchased by the state of Mississippi. There is one other firm that you may want to look at. I have yet to read through all the papers to see if they shipped anything outside of Louisiana. This is the firm of James Cosgrove, No. 5 St. Charles Street, New Orleans.

Cosgrove's company also sold saddles, harness and other leather goods like Magee & Kneas before the build up to hostilities. A requisition dated 13 April 1861 was sent to Cosgrove to ship some eighty-sets of accoutrements which included musket cartridge boxes, waist belts and plates, cap pouches, bayonet scabbards and shoulder belts. This was to be shipped to Capt. Hinson of the Morehouse Guards (later Co. B, 3LA) in care of J. C. Weaks(sp) & J. F. Pasgoud(sp), Point Pleasant, LA which is just west of Bastrop. Interesting...

There was also another lengthy requisition sent to Magee & Kneas on May 12, 1861, which list all the companies that made up the 3rd LA. Each company is listed along with the number of knapsacks and accoutrements needed to complete the outfitting of the regiment before it could be mustered into Confederate service. Of note, the Morehouse Guards required 122 knapsacks, but only 57-musket cartridge boxes, cap pouches, shoulder & waist belts and plates, 44-bayonet scabbards and 52 gun slings to complete the outfitting of its ranks.

Lindsey - Of particular interest is the Pelican Rangers, No. 1 of Natchitoches which became Company G, 3LA. I have always been told that they were apparently armed with flintlocks muskets early on as they were the only 3LA company to receive issues of "musket flints" and yet they were "issued" some 100+ cap pouches in the course of being equipped. "Special Requisition of Ordnance Equipment", dated November 16, 1861, signed by Captain William D. Hardeman lists, among other ordnance items, "Flints for Muskets". Not to tell tales, but I seem to remember some reference that Company G tried to turn in their cap pouches but were told to hang on to them. They may have very well carried the old flinters until right up to their arrival in Vicksburg. If anyone knows for sure, please share...

Will - Thanks for bringing this exchange about. It is certainly interesting and really needs further discussion, especially for those of us who study the Louisiana/Mississippi connection of these two firms early on. There may be more...

I am sure there is much more to be shared and learned here on this particular subject. I would encourage those who care to do so to check out the "Tigers Den" social group. This would be a terrific place to place this kind of information and exchange ideas and source material where it concerns Louisiana troops early on.

Regards,

**Mississippian** · 02-22-2010, 04:39 AM

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More LA/MS connections: These arms were given to Mississippi by Louisiana in February of 1861, and came from the stores of the Baton Rouge Armory.

5,000 flintlock muskets
3,000 percussion muskets
1,000 Hall's Breechloading flintlock rifles
200,000 cartridges, buck and ball
1,000 pounds rifle powder
6 24-pounder guns and carriages
500 24-pounder shot
1,000 pounds cannon powder

Will MacDonald

**air1mtm** · 03-20-2010, 10:34 AM

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I am trying to verify that the Sabine Rebels (which became Co B 17th Louisiana Infantry after they entered Confederate Service on Sept 29th 1861) were equipped with Magee and George cartridge boxes and cap pouches. A newspaper article reads "next day, on August 13th, �steps were taken to raise money for military purposes, and for the equipment of volunteers. Acknowledgments were tendered Gov. Moore for his kindness in assuming for Sabine Parish the cost of uniforms and equipment, for the Sabine Rifles, and to N. H. Bray for equipping the Sabine Rebels.�

Is it possible to determine if a purchase was made by N. H. Bray?

Thank you,
Michael T McAlpin

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