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  • #16
    Re: Infantry Enlisted Dress Hat Side Looping

    I was considering this a few weeks ago when making another hat, and watching one of my pards have a repeated hat malfunction with the previous hat I made.

    Using a rifle oriented drill (right hand shoulder), none of our hats get in the way at shoulder arms (rifle sits vertically to the side of the body, frequently on the outside of the shoulder, especially with blanket-roll wearers. At right shoulder shift the rifle sits closer in but misses the brim due to the angle. At support arms the rifle just catches the brim on the hat. This is avoided by holding the rifle at a slope similar to right shoulder shift, misaligning the head, or a slight bending of the brim of the hat.

    Using a musket oriented drill (left hand carry), hat brims get in the way at a carry and support, but not at slope or advance.

    Some of our rifles and muskets are developing a mark on the wood from binding against hats at support and left hand carries.

    This would suggest that the left-side looping is practical regardless of drill used. I suspect the really narrow shouldered may have to make a slight bend to the brim on the right, but it is at the left where most hat brims cause a problem. I now make a point of finding the time to stand at support arms with a new hat with a pan of water ready and make minimum adjustments until the hat doesn't get knocked off or deranged during manual of arms. It should be noted that many picture of infantry wearing hats that aren't pinned up, there is still some deformation of brims on one or both sides unless the brim is very narrow.
    Charles Elwood
    18th Virginia Co G
    19th Indiana Co A
    ACWS (UK)

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    • #17
      Re: Infantry Enlisted Dress Hat Side Looping

      All,

      Please pardon the corniness of the following reference. I have been digging into this confusion as well. However, the book, The United States Infantry: an illustrated history 1775-1918 intrigued me.

      Perhaps this is just an artist's rendition, the plate showing the 6th US Infantry bugler seems to display what the regulations indicate about the tassels being on the opposite side of the feather. Is there anything legitimate with the tassels being "tucked" into the side that was looped up as the illustration suggests?

      I am curious as to the accuracy of the illustration with respect to this topic.

      http://books.google.com/books?id=FQW...page&q&f=false

      You may need to scroll down. The illustration description is on page 86 and the illustration is on page 87.
      Thomas Steele
      Sally Port Mess
      Historic Fort Wayne Coalition
      Old Northwest Volunteers

      Marmadukes Raid II
      BGA Gettysburg - 24th Mich, Co. F
      Fort Sanders - 20th Mich

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      • #18
        Re: Infantry Enlisted Dress Hat Side Looping

        Originally posted by pvt_jb View Post
        For enlisted, I am sure commanders gave the order on what they wanted to see. I am sure the manual used (heavy or light) played a large part in that decision. No right or wrong in general but impression specific like everything else.
        Welcome to the wonderfully wacky world of the U.S. Army! I agree with you on both counts and obviously there's ample evidence for both ways. In the East, George Sykes had his Regular infantry loop their hats on the left, while in the west Oliver Shepherd had his Regulars loop theirs on the right. And this image of the 7th Wisconsin shows hats looped on the right even though the men are at shoulder arms by the manual for musket - and some not looped at all.

        http://www.ironbrigade.net/images/7thWI-coK-3001.jpg
        "the regulars always do well, and seldom get any credit, not belonging to any crowd of voters"

        Darrell Cochran
        Third U.S. Regular Infantry
        http://buffsticks.us

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        • #19
          Re: Infantry Enlisted Dress Hat Side Looping

          I'm trying to find m 1858 inside hat labels,,anyone have an idea who will sell such an item?

          Drew "REDDOG" McDonald
          independent, founding member formerly of the 10th sc
          founding member SECESSION camp #4 scv
          Drew James "REDDOG" McDonald
          Santee district S.C.
          Founding member Secession Camp #4 scv
          The Great And Sovereign State Of South Carolina
          "THOSE LOWCOUNTRY FOLKS ARE ALOT LIKE THE CHINESE,THEY EAT RICE AND WORSHIP THEIR ANCESTORS"
          "Ne conjugare nobiscum"

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          • #20
            Re: Infantry Enlisted Dress Hat Side Looping

            Jeremy,
            Thank you very much. This really helped and will come handy when the time comes!
            Best,

            Robert Huck
            Sally Port Mess

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