Soldiers wearing English accoutrements

[Mississippian]

Re: Soldiers wearing English accoutrements

Ok, This little bit of info come from the CSR of Lt. S. Adams, an officer posted mostly to SW Virginia.

Received at Abingdon VA, on Sept. 3rd 1862 for Gen. H. Marshall's command (shipped from Savannah Georgia)

1000 English Cavalry Sabers
606 Cavalry Saber Belts

I'm trying to find a listing of units in this command, but I think there were several Kentucky units in it.

Will MacDonald

[DBURT]

Re: Soldiers wearing English accoutrements

Will, thanks for the information on the MS Sharpshooters. I know some equipment for Mississippi was in Cuba very early on. The State had purchasing agents in London in 1861, but as yet have been unable to find any names.

Dave Burt

[ironbrigade6]

Re: Soldiers wearing English accoutrements

From what I understand when the US government bought Enfield rifles they got bayonets, bayonet scabbards, musket tools, ect. But if they were getting bayonets and the scabbards with them, why do we not see more evidence of Federal troops with british made scabbards?

[johnconrad1987]

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Someone asked for the English ball bag from SC Confederate Relics Room...

[Mississippian]

Re: Soldiers wearing English accoutrements

CSR of Maj. W.H. Pruden, 32nd Georgia Infantry

August 29th 1862 at Savannah

495 English Knapsacks
495 Knapsack Boards
296 Mess Tins and Covers
118 Canteen Straps
2 Gallons Cotton Seed Oil

Sept. 1st 1862

450 Enfield Rifles and Bayonets

Will MacDonald

[Mississippian]

Re: Soldiers wearing English accoutrements

CSR of Col. C. Way, 54th Georgia Infantry

August 23rd 1862 at Savannah

250 Knapsacks
250 Knapsack Boards "sets"
250 Haversacks
250 Canteens and Straps

Will MacDonald

[Mark Susnis]

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Item #8167 Sixth plate ruby ambrotype of a unidentified southern soldier. Dressed in gray from head to toe and with the appearence of a soldier ready for the march to victory. This is probably an early war view. He is outfitted in entirely with English manufactured accounterments. Fresh from one of the numerous blockade runners that ran the gauntlet no doubt. He has what is most likely his cartiridge box worn over the shoulder but which is hidden behind his arm. The leather strap for which is very wide. Around the waist is worn a leather belt with a two peice snake buckle and attached to the belt is a very unique cap box which reminds me more of a colonial peice. On the other side is worn a saber bayonet placed in it's scabbard which goes to his model 1856 Enfield which hangs from a sling on his shoulder. http://thecivilwarimageshop.com/Online_Catalog.php

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Mark Susnis

[Bmanz1085]

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That appears to be an English Cap Box.

[Enfield]

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Great image! And check out the one just below - #2918 - he is holding either a P1851 "Minie Rifle" or a rifled P42 musket.

Geoff Walden

[DBURT]

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Great image Mark. He is wearing the snake 'hook' belt and the P1856/57 cap pouch which was meant to be worn on the pouch belt on the chest. Lots of new information on English arms and accoutrements in the new book by Craig Barry and myself to be published by Schiffer publishing this Autumn.

Dave Burt

[Mississippian]

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Came across some information that Col. Z. Deas of the 22nd Alabama bought his regiment 800 Short Enfield Rifles during the fall of 1861:

TUSCALOOSA OBSERVER, October 2, 1861, page 2, col. 7:

To Volunteer Companies.

We are authorized by the President to raise a Regiment for the War. We have the best Enfield Rifles, with sword bayonets, and accoutrements, tents, camp equipage, blankets, shoes and uniforms for the Regiment. Some of the Companies are now in Montgomery, but owing to an accident, there are some vacancies. The Regiment will soon be under marching orders.
Companies wishing to join us will address either of us at Montgomery.

Z. C. Deas
R. B. Armstead.

Another source said that Deas put up $28,000 in Gold to pay for his Enfields.

Will MacDonald

[tigrou.666]

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hi

i find this picture this week on the web of a federal soldier wearing british accoutrements

[Mississippian]

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Gents, been awhile since this has been updated. Here is a treat for you:

CSR of Lt. Col. J.G. Taylor, 2nd Mississippi Battalion (later 48th Mississippi Infantry)

Received at Yorktown VA, Dec. 15th 1861 of O.W. Edwards, MSK

620 Enfield Rifles
620 Saber Bayonets
620 Cartridge Boxes
620 Cartridge Box Belts
620 Waist Belts
620 Cap Pouches
620 Bayonet Scabbards
620 Frogs
620 Gun Slings
93 Knapsacks
93 Mess Tins
35 Haversacks

Will MacDonald

[David Fox]

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Hate yet again to parade my ignorance out there for all to see, but are we sure the grey-clad fellow with British accoutrement above is Confederate and not an early war grey-clad Nor'easterner?

[Mississippian]

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http://www.fold3.com/image/#20|258834509

A bulk purchase of English Mess tins and covers for officers of the AoT Missouri Brigade on June 28th 1864. 31 officers, from Gen. Cockrell on down, bought new mess tins on that date.

Will MacDonald