CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

[FloridaConscript]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

Brian,

The Marsh (4th NC) jacket in echoes appears to be a RCB jacket as well. I have only seen the pic, but it looks like what we call an "RDII" to me.

[Iron Scout]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

Hey Brian,

Excellent question and one I'd love to hear someone like Fred Adolphus chime in on, etc. I for one have never seen an ID'd late war RD issue garment out of such textile but that certainly doesn't mean they didn't exist either. Seems the more we know the more questions we have! Glad you've enjoyed the images.

Regards,

Neill Rose
Iron Scout
Palmetto Guards

[LibertyHallVols]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

Although there seems to be a good number of blue-gray wool jackets out there, are you aware of any identified late war RD jackets that are made from satinette, jean, cassimere, etc.?

Is not the JB Royal jacket in the MoC made of satinet?

[CSchneider]

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Is not the JB Royal jacket in the MoC made of satinet?

Royall's coat (Chancellorsville ID, I believe), is a 2:1 wool-cotton twill cloth with a very heavy nap. Pretty much a rough satinette.

The Bernard jacket is/was made of jeans, but I don't believe it is known exactly when Bernard was issued it. I'm not aware of any very late war Richmond jackets made of anything other than blue grey wool. There are certainly some late war ANV garments, jackets included, made of wool-cotton materials, but none that I know of that we could positively ID as a typical Richmond jacket.

-Craig Schneider

[GreencoatCross]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

It looks like there may not be any firmly identified late-war RD jackets made from jeans, etc. I looked at the series of photographs showing the CS dead at Petersburg and could only find two men out of thirteen who are definitely wearing garments cut from jean or (possibly) satinette. One appears to be a double-breasted jeans frock or overcoat while the other appears to be a rough satinette jacket with matching trousers.

[Dan Wambaugh]

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Just a thought, but what about the "punch bowl" image and other images of CS POWs from the last part of the war? I'm nowhere near the photography buff that some folks are, but wouldn't those also be a good resources to look for your jean late war RD jacket? If I understand correctly, the post fall of Petersburg CS dead photos were taken in a relatively limited area, and would represent a specific unit (be it a regiment, brigade, or even division.) But the POW images show a much wider variety of CS troops.

Food for thought, now start hunting!

[Brett Asselin]

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I beleive in alot of the dead photos taken at spotsylvania, you see alot of jean and other materials other then kersey. hard to tell if they are RD manufacture though. And that is perfectly in the time frame where you would see RD 3s poppin up. If i remember correctly there is defineatly a lack of epauletts and belt loops in the images.

[Rhinevalleylad]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

Well...
have a look at this:

http://webspace.webring.com/people/br/rdenton_53/unfrm.html

It is an Analysis of Confederate Prisoner Uniform Shades by "L" Value in the Whitehouse Landing & Punch Bowl Photographs
by R. K. Denton Jr.

Probably we cann assume thta dark clour means BG-Fabric ?

Regards

Ingo Rolletter
5th Va Vol Inf (Germany)

https://www.hdgm.de

[Andrew Kasmar]

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http://www.blueandgraymarching.com/articles/prisoners-of-grant-the-punc.html

[Jimmayo]

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It looks like there may not be any firmly identified late-war RD jackets made from jeans, etc. I looked at the series of photographs showing the CS dead at Petersburg and could only find two men out of thirteen who are definitely wearing garments cut from jean or (possibly) satinette. One appears to be a double-breasted jeans frock or overcoat while the other appears to be a rough satinette jacket with matching trousers.

Brian: Don't forget the Benard jacket. Suppose to be the last one he wore at Petersburg. Not an iron clad ID but close.

http://www.12thvirginia.org/images/BernardUniform/index.htm

[Dan Limb]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

Royall's coat (Chancellorsville ID, I believe), is a 2:1 wool-cotton twill cloth with a very heavy nap. Pretty much a rough satinette.

The Bernard jacket is/was made of jeans, but I don't believe it is known exactly when Bernard was issued it. I'm not aware of any very late war Richmond jackets made of anything other than blue grey wool. There are certainly some late war ANV garments, jackets included, made of wool-cotton materials, but none that I know of that we could positively ID as a typical Richmond jacket.

-Craig Schneider

I wanted to piggy back on this with a couple of images of the JBRoyall Jacket. They are closeups of the buttons and battle damage, and clearly show the rough weave. See attachments.

I have a few more photos of RD III jackets to post as soon as I can ascertain the provenance.

Regards,

Dan Limb

[FloridaConscript]

Re: CS Artifact(s) of the Week-Kersey Type IIs

groovy buttons. I need to pick some up like that.

[Prodical Reb]

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thought I'd post a couple more photos of the Royal jacket as it is displayed at the MoC.

[18th us regulars]

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Thanks for the pictures! Wow good stuff here.

[Pvt. Sanders]

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Wow what a cool link, I have never seen the Punch Bowl picture broken up into sections and enlarged like that. Thanks for sharing.