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  • #16
    Re: CS Richmond Rifle - did AOT have them?

    Christian-

    I have a little more information on this particular unit for you. Online, you can get some early war information by reading Carroll H. Clark's diary. He enlisted in Co. I, 16th Tennessee. In Article 4 of his diary, he states that:
    Our guns were flint lock muskets and carried cartridges made of one large ball and three buckshot. Our cartridge boxes held forty cartridges and fastened to a belt and cap box by side of it, which were very convenient and unless a fellow was badly excited could load and shoot rapidly. Our guns were dangerous at close range. The rain continue for many days and we had some trouble in keeping our ammunition dry, but I must return to our march down the little valley.
    Also, in Thomas A. Head's Campaigns and Battle of the Sixteenth Regiment, Tennessee Volunteers, in the War Between the States, With Incidental Sketches of the Part Performed by Other Tennessee Troops in the Same War. 1861-1865, another reference to these early war weapons can be found. Head relates,
    It had rained continually throughout the night, and, having flint-lock muskets, which had been loaded the evening before, the loads becoming wet, and the first thing the men did in the morning was to extract the cartridges form their guns and put them in good order. The had all kept their powder dry, and having rubbed up their guns and examined their flints they awaited the signal for attack
    (43).

    The above references are before the regiment was transfered to South Carolina and then to Corinth, Mississippi, it being in Virginia during the engagement at Cheat Mountain. So, what we obviously know is that in 1861-early 1862 the regiment was armed with flint-locks, but they were armed with enfields by summer 1863. This leaves a gap between the flint-locks, enfields, and what the regiment possibly carried in the 1864 campaigns. That means that the best means would be looking at the CSR's like the previous posts have stated. Unfortunately, I have not had time to research the F&S of the 16th to try and trace down some request or ordnance returns for the regiment. The problem with the 16th's CSR's is that most, if not all, regimental returns end after April 1864. That means that we have to dig a little deeper. I'll let you know what I find. Thanks for your interest.

    Head, Thomas A. Campaigns and Battle of the Sixteenth Regiment, Tennessee Volunteers, in the War Between the States, With Incidental Sketches of the Part Performed by Other Tennessee Troops in the Same War. 1861-1865. Nashville:Cumberland Presbyterian, 1885.

    Rice, Frank. My Grandfather's Diary of the Civil War., 20 April 1999. http://www.rootsweb.com/~tnvanbur/vbdiary.html (11 March 2004).

    Also, for everyone else to ponder over. Here is something very interesting related to the "Inspection Article" I posted earlier. The 1st Arkansas was a mounted rifles (dismounted) regiment.

    McNair's Brigade:
    1st Ark. Reg't.
    Eff. men 273 (?-due to being stamped over)
    Guns in Reg't 293 (?-due to being stamped over by War Dept. Rebel Archives stamp)
    27 of above are Sharp Rifles
    Need 3,000 Sharp Rifle Cart.
    Cartridges 37,240
    Not mounted. good wagons
    Sent Return to Richmond


    Just an interesting tid-bit. Not to be taken way out of context PLEASE!!

    Christopher Young
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    • #17
      Re: CS Richmond Rifle - did AOT have them?

      Hallo Kameraden!

      Yes, are we talking about rifles with the heavy 33 inch barrel, or the rilfe-musket with the thinner 40 inch barrel here?

      The "rifle" machinery and parts that were not destroyed at the Harpers Ferry fire went to Fayetteville. There are "Richmond" looking early Fayetteville RIFLES that were made of HF parts with the early "Richmond" high humps.

      Or, are we talking about the so-called Richmond C.S. "Musketoon" that was essentially (to borrow the federal term) an "artillery rifle" with a 33 inch rifle-musket barrel (not the heavy rifle barrel). These look like the rifles, except when the lighter barrel is observed.

      I believe that the original post meant rifle-muskets and not rifles, or the musketoons?

      Curt-Heinrich Schmidt
      Former CW Gunmaker Specializing in M1855's, "Richmonds," and "Fayetteviles" ;-)
      Curt Schmidt
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      • #18
        Re: CS Richmond Rifle - did AOT have them?

        Originally posted by Curt-Heinrich Schmidt
        Hallo Kameraden!

        Yes, are we talking about rifles with the heavy 33 inch barrel, or the rilfe-musket with the thinner 40 inch barrel here?

        The "rifle" machinery and parts that were not destroyed at the Harpers Ferry fire went to Fayetteville. There are "Richmond" looking early Fayetteville RIFLES that were made of HF parts with the early "Richmond" high humps.

        Or, are we talking about the so-called Richmond C.S. "Musketoon" that was essentially (to borrow the federal term) an "artillery rifle" with a 33 inch rifle-musket barrel (not the heavy rifle barrel). These look like the rifles, except when the lighter barrel is observed.

        I believe that the original post meant rifle-muskets and not rifles, or the musketoons?

        Curt-Heinrich Schmidt
        Former CW Gunmaker Specializing in M1855's, "Richmonds," and "Fayetteviles" ;-)
        ´Hi Curt

        It's a repro of a CS Richmond 1863 Rifle Musket 40" barrel low hump. Theres a picture of it in one of my posts.
        [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]Pvt. Christian Steincke
        16th Tenn Vol[/FONT]
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        • #19
          Re: CS Richmond Rifle - did AOT have them?

          You are to kind friends. By your posts I've learned a lot, that I probably would've had a hard time locateting, as I live in Denmark, Europe. This also means that I definately won't be able to visit the National Archives and look for ordenance reports. But I know have a fairly good image of the kind of rifle musket that would fit my impression. Thank you all!
          [FONT=Franklin Gothic Medium]Pvt. Christian Steincke
          16th Tenn Vol[/FONT]
          [FONT=Century Gothic]"War does not determine who is right - only who is left."[/FONT]

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          • #20
            Re: CS Richmond Rifle - did AOT have them?

            Christian,

            You can order the microfilm rolls for the 16th Tennessee Infantry directly through the National Archive Microfilm Department.

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            • #21
              Re: CS Richmond Rifle - did AOT have them?

              Paul Davies quotes in his book 'CS Armory Richmond' that Longstreet's boys received new issue Richmond rifles before going west. Not so sure they all would have had them. All though 1863 did reach some of the highest production numbers for the weapon it would have been a stretch to fit them all.

              George Taggart
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