French 1842 bayonet scabbard.

[arkangel33]

I'm working on a French 42' bayonet scabbard. The bayonet is really short on it compared to an American 42' socket bayonet. I have an original scabbard to go off of for making the pattern but here is the kicker. It has a metal stiffener inside of it that the finial is soldered to. There is also a throat piece that is mangled. Does anyone have a photo or specs on the throat piece? I have looked at he French QM manual and am coming up with nothing. Thanks!

[fahnenschmied]

Re: French 1842 bayonet scabbard.

I suppose there must be different models of the scabbard - the Mle1822 scabbard indeed had a brass throat, but by the time the '42 and 42/53T was around, the scabbard had no brass top. It had a little leather strap that entered into a buckle on the frog. I was going to make one until I found one from IMA, I think, a "european bayonet scabbard" - it has the metal stiffener inside that you are talking about, which is soldered to a finial. It is identical to the 1850s type and my original bayonet fits fine.
I HAD photos of this scabbard at one point, I am not sure if I still have any drawings for it, but our early bayonet scabbards were very similar. Jarnigans 1828 bayonet is similar to the earlier French type, This one http://www.ima-usa.com/european-19th...-scabbard.html is similar to the ones shown in the Godillot catalog of 1860 and fits the Mle 1822/42 socket bayonet. You will see the top band white, natural, or black on originals - I don't know why. These have a metal ball finial, and while I think that type existed during the Civil War, you can replace the tip - the body will save you alot of work.

[fahnenschmied]

Re: French 1842 bayonet scabbard.

Images of various bayonet scabbards....

http://www.ader-paris.fr/html/index.jsp?id=17247&np=3&lng=fr&npp=20&ordre=1&aff=1&r=

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An early one with a brass throat...

http://www.delcampe.net/page/item/id,0193413357,language,E.html

[fahnenschmied]

Re: French 1842 bayonet scabbard.

Another link...showing a pretty good brass mounted scabbard. Just scroll down.

http://www.passionmilitaria.com/t37291-fusil-1854-de-la-garde-comparaisons-entre-les-systemes-1842-et-1853-54-et-57

I have some drawings for the frogs, but I cannot find any for the scabbards. If I find any I'll post them.