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    While doing some research on uniforms worn on Alabama regiments in Rode's Brigade around the time on Chancellorsville I stumbled across a photo of David Barnum, who was in the 5th Alabama. The photo is claimed to have been taken between 62-64. I am tending to lean more closer to the 62 time frame.

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    As you can see from the photo it has dark colored cuffs, collar, and epaulettes nine button front and squared across the bottom. Could this be an early example of the Dept. of Alabama jacket?

    John Young Gilmore of the 3rd Alabama Infantry wore this jacket.

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    Notice that this jacket also has the dark collar and epaulettes, but is lacking the cuffs. However it does appear that it may have had cuff trim at one point. Am I just seeing things? You can also see that this has only seven buttons and has rounded corners in the front.

    The Murphree jacket worn by Thomas Murphree of the 6th Alabama has dark trimmed epaulettes, seven button front and rounded front corners. Most notably it has the two exterior welt pockets. If I understand it correctly Mr. Murphree wore this jacket until February of 63.

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    How about the jackets worn by Jefferson & Madison Strickland? Click image for larger version

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    These brothers served in Company F of the 14th Alabama, ANV. Jefferson died January 2nd 1862 in Freeport, Va. so this style of jacket is clearly identified to early war. They also have some of the same features as the Murphree jacket. This being they each have seven buttons, two external pockets and trimmed epaulettes. But notice that these have dark tape on the collars and the pockets are also trimmed.

    Other variations of Alabama jackets are the Andrew Jackson Duncan, of the 11th Mississippi Cavalry Demopolis jacket Click image for larger version

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    According to the articles written Les Jensen and Fred Adolphus and if I understand them correctly, issuance of the Demopolis and "Mystery" jackets didn't begin until late 63 early 64. With that being said, would it be safe to assume that examples such as the Barnum, Murphree and Strickland jackets would have been relatively common issuance among Alabama regiments within the ANV up until mid to late 63?

    During another web search I found in Google books; The Confederate Army 1861-65: Florida, Alabama & Georgia By Ron Field In it Mr. Fields indicates that Gov. Moore in Aug. 1861 issued a proclamation recommending each, city, town and village form "Soldiers Aid Societies" and inform him by letter the amount of clothing that they would be able to produce for the men in the field. It goes on to identify where material and buttons were procured, a description of how the uniforms should look and be constructed. You can read more about it at here
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    Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

    You're comparing apples to oranges and calling them bananas. The Department of Alabama Jacket (so called) was an ID term for jackets produced for Richard Taylor's Department of Alabama, Misssissippi and East Louisiana. At least according to Jensen that is. I don't think there is any more or any less comparable features to these jackets than there are to jackets of any state of the Confederacy at the time. If you scan through pictures of soldiers from Mississippi there are a few examples extremely close to the Gilmore jacket etc. I don't think that because the Alabama Governor calls for use of the commutation system would give rise to the theory that these listed jackets are precursors to what we term the Dept. of Alabama. The Dept of Alabama jacket lacked any kind of trim on the cuffs, as well as the fact that several of the listed examples of jackets you've shown fall into a time frame where they would have been made under one of the time the Confederate Congress employed the Commutation System or the Great Appeal in order to cloth the volunteers so there is no telling if the garments were produced in Alabama in the first place. Also, check the Alabama uniform standards, might be something listed there that would explain the similar appearance of the early examples.

    When I talked and read a great deal on Confederate jackets during the time I reproduced items I always reminded people of something Becky Nall of Cotton City Tailors told me about uniforms in an email exchange, and even had posted on her website "The uniform depot system consisted of a central military depot cutting uniform pieces en masse from the textile goods available that day then shipping the piecework off to volunteer or contract tailors/seamstresses to assemble as quickly as possible. The finished goods were returned to the depot and issued in bulk to the troops through typical quartermaster procedure." People often forget this fact when looking into Confederate items.
    Patrick Landrum
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    • #3
      Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

      There is pretty firm documentation that the "Murphree" jacket (from Murphree himself) cloth was woven at the Eagle mills in Columbus, GA, and cut up and sewn by the ladies of Montgomery for the regiment. It adheres closely to the published guidelines for Alabama volunteers.
      You might can find the exact quote if you use the search feature.
      Mark Taylor

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      • #4
        Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

        Thanks for the replies gentlemen.

        The search function did not yield the results that I was looking for.

        I did however manage to find a good majority of the information that I was looking for after contacting Mr. Adolphus and as it turns out, I should have been looking for grapefruits the entire time.
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        • #5
          Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

          Tyler,
          My issue was there really wasn't a question I could see but you trying to generalize jackets that other than being used by Confederates, don't have anything in common. Just because a jacket has a blue collar, doesn't make it a Dept of Alabama. The other thing with the Mystery jacket, no one knows anything about the pattern that I could tell, and I've always been curious what caused them to ID it as a product of Mobile in the first place. Maybe Fred can answer that. There are several jackets in Faces of Louisiana or Faces of Mississippi that look like RDII's even though they are taken in the early stages of the war, and the guys served in the West. The Department of Alabama jacket, like I said was given that title for Richard Taylor's Department, because that's who the style of jacket was issued to, not just specifically Alabama troops.
          Last edited by coastaltrash; 05-06-2015, 07:51 PM.
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          • #6
            Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

            Here you go Tyler:


            "Courtesy of Bob Bradley, curator Alabama Department of Archives and History.

            " War Jacket-worn by Thomas M. Murphree, Troy, Alabama. Belonged to Rode's Brigade & D.H. Hill's Division, Co.E, 6th Ala. Infantry Reg. Aug.(issued)1861 (worn till Feb.1863). Eagle Mills, Columbus, Ga. Shipped to Mont. Made by Miss Napp (Knapp?)-Afterwards Mrs. Halfman. Worn in Battles: Seven Pines May 31-June 1, 1862. Cold Harbor, June 27, 1862, Malvern Hill, Boonesborough Gap, South Mountain Maryland Sept.14,1862, Antietam or Sharpsburg Sept 17, 1862, Fredericksburg, Dec. 1862 (Reserves under fire). Besides almost innumerable skirmishes." "

            Based on my research I'll have to agree with Landrum. While all the jackets mentioned in your original post do contain some common features, I do not believe any of them have any real connection. The Murphree, Gilmore, ect jackets were most likely made at home/tailor made/purchased/ect under the Commutation system and follow the guidelines the state of Alabama published. You can find quite a few jackets with similar traits worn by Alabama men on the Dept of Archives web site: http://digital.archives.alabama.gov/...d/order/nosort

            I feel like the "Mystery" and "Dept of AL" (I hate the labels that we as re-enactors use) were government produced garments. So while they too share come features, I do not believe there was an evolution from one version to another. They could have been produced at the same time, maybe even at the same place. We'll probably never know.

            On another note, I also doubt the August 61 - February 63 use of the jacket by Murphree. While the jacket is in rough shape, it is believed that a lot of the damage was post war. Murphree wore the jacket to reunions for years, and it is rumored that pieces of the jacket had been cut off by others to save as mementos.
            Mark Taylor

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            • #7
              Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

              From what I recall in Entrepot, Mobile wasn't so much a manufacturing hub as it was a transport/logistics/warehousing hub. There is another jacket identical to the 'mystery jacket' at the relic room in columbia doc'd to a SC cav guy that died in nc in may of 65. Go figure.
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              • #8
                Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

                Not to muddy the waters on the "mystery" jackets, but don't forget the Mook jacket: http://www.civilwarvirtualmuseum.org...cket/index.php
                It has a Trans-Miss connection, but is in such great shape I think he got it after he left Point Lookout. He surrendered in New Orleans and came close to most of the places associated with this jacket, thus providing little discernment for our theories.

                I believe the Mobile connection originally came from period studio portraits. There are a number of late war studio images from Mobile featuring men wearing semmingly identical jackets to the so-called mystery pattern. I am most familiar with the images featuring men of the Fifth Company, Washington Artillery.
                Pat Brown

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                • #9
                  Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

                  Hello,
                  In regards to the Murfree jacket, I am attaching a couple of scans from the "Sponsor Souvenir Album" from the United Confederate Veterans Reunion of 1895.
                  Jacket 1A.pdfJacket 1A.pdfJacket 2.pdf

                  Regards,
                  Sean Cochran

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                  • #10
                    Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

                    Books?? Bryant Roberts you expect people to read BOOKS!!!!??!?!
                    Patrick Landrum
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                    • #11
                      Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

                      Mark, thank you for the link. I did see that one but it didnt turn up the results that I was looking for.

                      Pat, thank you again for offering up your knowledge on this topic for me. I am still in the beginner stages of learning about CS clothing so every little bit helps. I will probably be picking your brain some more on CS clothing in the near future.

                      If you go back and look at my initial post you will see my question “Would it be safe to assume that examples such as the Barnum, Murphree and Strickland jackets would have been relatively common issuance among Alabama regiments within the ANV up until mid to late 63?”

                      This I did receive an answer to when I contacted Mr. Adolphus. According to his research, the State issue Jacket although not entirely impossible, would likely not have been seen in that late in the ANV. During the entire year of 1862 only 444 jackets were issued to Alabamians and only 6 in 1863.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

                        Tyler,
                        What the guys are trying to say collectively in their answers is basically yes. But it's not specifically a "Alabama" thing. Examples of that style exist in multiple states and were manufactured at different times during the war. Despite there being printed uniform guidelines for most states, and my focus has always tended to be Mississippi for obvious reasons, you can look at pictures of men in the same regiment but different companies that are wearing totally different jackets.

                        So to answer your question-“Would it be safe to assume that examples such as the Barnum, Murphree and Strickland jackets would have been relatively common issuance among Alabama regiments within the ANV up until mid to late 63?”

                        The short answer is yes. But the long answer is just another chase of the tail through a very long and dark rabbit hole. I've researched CS jackets for years and still don't think I'm any closer to answering questions I had back then. All i've got is a stack of books, old pictures and theories. I do know of one jacket that Jensen claimed was ANV province because it looks like a Richmond product, but the guy served in the AoT. But it's all subjective.
                        Patrick Landrum
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                        • #13
                          Re: Dept. of Alabama Jackets

                          Originally posted by coastaltrash View Post
                          You're comparing apples to oranges and calling them bananas. The Department of Alabama Jacket (so called) was an ID term for jackets produced for Richard Taylor's Department of Alabama, Misssissippi and East Louisiana. At least according to Jensen that is. I don't think there is any more or any less comparable features to these jackets than there are to jackets of any state of the Confederacy at the time. If you scan through pictures of soldiers from Mississippi there are a few examples extremely close to the Gilmore jacket etc. I don't think that because the Alabama Governor calls for use of the commutation system would give rise to the theory that these listed jackets are precursors to what we term the Dept. of Alabama. The Dept of Alabama jacket lacked any kind of trim on the cuffs, as well as the fact that several of the listed examples of jackets you've shown fall into a time frame where they would have been made under one of the time the Confederate Congress employed the Commutation System or the Great Appeal in order to cloth the volunteers so there is no telling if the garments were produced in Alabama in the first place. Also, check the Alabama uniform standards, might be something listed there that would explain the similar appearance of the early examples.
                          Where would I find the "Alabama Uniform Standards"? Are there similar standards for other states, such as Florida?
                          Thanks,
                          Clint Hathcock
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