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  • #16
    Re: A shell with tails...

    Originally posted by coastaltrash View Post
    Troiani actually did a painting of this company and some brief information is located in his uniform book.
    I'm off to get his book then. Is the painting in the book?
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    Brett "Homer" Keen
    Chicago
    [I]"Excessively spirited in the pranks and mischief of the soldier"[/I]

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    • #17
      Re: A shell with tails...

      What's most interesting is all 4 seem to have the same belt even though they are in different companies.
      Originally posted by plankholder View Post
      I dont think the 2 fellas from Company B are sharing gear, or at least knives. I have been staring myself cross eyed at the 2 images and I am pretty certain that the knives are different. Look at the blade curvature and the hilt. They do look enough alike to be brothers.-ELI GEERY
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      Brett "Homer" Keen
      Chicago
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      OEF 03-04 [I]Truth Through Exploitation[/I]

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      • #18
        Re: A shell with tails...

        Maybe I missed something; but the first two images appear to be wearing some sort of civilian horseshoe buckle, while the second two images appear to be wearing a belt plate of some sort.

        While I would agree that there are two sets of styles here, they are of very different types.
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        • #19
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          I'm being lead to believe that at least the "brothers" are sharing gear, if you look at the picture it looks like both have bayonetts tucked in to their belts as well as on the gun they're holding. There isn't a need to have two bayonetts...is there?
          Tom Gurnett
          140th NYVI

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          • #20
            Re: A shell with tails...

            Troiani's "Regiments and Uniforms of the Civil War" touches more on the weaponry of the 19th Alabama than the unique uniforms. Smith and Field's "Uniforms of the Civil War" doesn't give much more insight. The authors state that other types of uniforms were issued by the state of Alabama during the early years of the war.
            According to the authors,
            Whilst encamped near Centreville, Virginia, during November 1861, the 12th Alabama Infantry received 'gray dress uniforms' which consisted of 'scissor tailed coats' and caps that 'fell over in front with a place for letters.' Similarly, members of the Cherokee Rangers, Co. I, 19th Alabama Infantry, were photographed wearing plain gray eight-button wool and cotton coats with swallow tails; and gray pants (185).
            Now, we know that more members than only those from Co. I of the 19th wore these "swallow tail coats," but to what extent one can only guess. As an aside, Coloma, where the company formed is about 2 miles from my house. A relative of mine, David Young, of Company I is shown in an early war photograph wearing what looks to be a frock. Good luck with the research.

            Chris
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            • #21
              Re: A shell with tails...

              Originally posted by Stonewall_Greyfox View Post
              Maybe I missed something; but the first two images appear to be wearing some sort of civilian horseshoe buckle, while the second two images appear to be wearing a belt plate of some sort.

              While I would agree that there are two sets of styles here, they are of very different types.
              Ooops, sorry i was refering to some photos I didn't post... like this one:
              Company C (horseshoe)
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              Brett "Homer" Keen
              Chicago
              [I]"Excessively spirited in the pranks and mischief of the soldier"[/I]

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              • #22
                Re: A shell with tails...

                This is the photo you speak of:

                Thank you for your help and input.

                -Brett
                Originally posted by CYoungJSU View Post
                Troiani's "Regiments and Uniforms of the Civil War" touches more on the weaponry of the 19th Alabama than the unique uniforms. Smith and Field's "Uniforms of the Civil War" doesn't give much more insight. The authors state that other types of uniforms were issued by the state of Alabama during the early years of the war.
                According to the authors,

                Now, we know that more members than only those from Co. I of the 19th wore these "swallow tail coats," but to what extent one can only guess. As an aside, Coloma, where the company formed is about 2 miles from my house. A relative of mine, David Young, of Company I is shown in an early war photograph wearing what looks to be a frock. Good luck with the research.

                Chris
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                Brett "Homer" Keen
                Chicago
                [I]"Excessively spirited in the pranks and mischief of the soldier"[/I]

                OEF 03-04 [I]Truth Through Exploitation[/I]

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                • #23
                  Re: A shell with tails...

                  Brett,

                  Here are the pics of the coatee that I saw at the SAM Davis home. A pard of mine who still resides in the area, Bob Parker, sent me a message with the ID info. It belonged to Richard Alexander of Co. K Bates 2nd Tenn. The intresting thing to me about this one is if memory serves me correctly the lining in it was a print material instead of a woven design. I hope this is of help to you.
                  Last edited by jhodnett; 01-20-2008, 04:05 PM.
                  Jeff Hodnett

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                  • #24
                    Re: A shell with tails...

                    Thank you for taking the time to share the photos.... very interesting stuff here.
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                    Brett "Homer" Keen
                    Chicago
                    [I]"Excessively spirited in the pranks and mischief of the soldier"[/I]

                    OEF 03-04 [I]Truth Through Exploitation[/I]

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                    • #25
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                      In the message I recieved from Bob he went on to tell me that he had looked at some other pictures of guys from that company and it appeared that they were wearing the same coat. The guy that he was referring to was killed at Shiloh. So as he said this maybe the early war uniform of the company. Just some thoughts.
                      Jeff Hodnett

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                      • #26
                        Re: A shell with tails...

                        Well how can we see THOSE photos?

                        I am glad I am not the only one interested in this coatee style.
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                        Brett "Homer" Keen
                        Chicago
                        [I]"Excessively spirited in the pranks and mischief of the soldier"[/I]

                        OEF 03-04 [I]Truth Through Exploitation[/I]

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                        • #27
                          Re: A shell with tails...

                          Brett,

                          That's the picture of Pvt. Young. Those are some very interesting photos from the Sam Davis home as well. Good luck, and if I find any additional information, I will be sure to pass it along.

                          C.Y.
                          [FONT="Book Antiqua"][B]Christopher P. Young[/B]
                          [/FONT] [URL="http://bullyforbragg.blogspot.com"]Army of Tennessee[/URL]
                          [URL="http://www.antebellumpoliticing.blogspot.com/"]Our Federal Union, It Must Be Preserved[/URL]
                          [FONT="Palatino Linotype"]"Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character." Secretary of State Henry Clay, July 27,1827[/FONT]

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                          • #28
                            Re: A shell with tails...

                            There was on on display at the last Nashville CW show. It was made of blue-grey jean. It was ID'd but I can't remember the info. I wll try and find out. It may have been Alabama.

                            Joe Walker

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                            • #29
                              Re: A shell with tails...

                              I was at Kennesaw Mountain several years ago participating in the battle's annual living history program where these photos were taken. I cannot remember the exact name of the exhibit, but I think this may help with the coatee question. I have attached a picture of a coat (second from the left) worn by a georgia soldier. Although it is not cut in the fashion of a true tail coat, it does resemble that of a riding coat.

                              C.Y.
                              Last edited by CYoungJSU; 01-20-2008, 02:10 PM.
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                              [/FONT] [URL="http://bullyforbragg.blogspot.com"]Army of Tennessee[/URL]
                              [URL="http://www.antebellumpoliticing.blogspot.com/"]Our Federal Union, It Must Be Preserved[/URL]
                              [FONT="Palatino Linotype"]"Of all the properties which belong to honorable men, not one is so highly prized as that of character." Secretary of State Henry Clay, July 27,1827[/FONT]

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                              • #30
                                Re: A shell with tails...

                                CY-

                                This is the coat I saw. I had the union display with it as well as the other items about.

                                Joe Walker

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