Would a Leather sling on a bulls eye canteen be common in 1863. Or would the cloth strap be more appropriate?
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Cloth straps were more common but there are numerous surviving bullseye canteens supportedwith leather straps.
Jim Mayo
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Hi,
Because the bulls eye canteen was the later war version, I would think that it would not have a leather sling. I was looking through pictures of originals, and I was unable to find a single leather sling on any bulls eye canteens. So I would go with a cloth sling for any reenactment in 1863 or later.Andrew Kasmar
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Originally posted by brown View PostDoes anyone have a picture they could sharing showing the herringbone twill strap found on several originals bullseye canteen?[B]Charles Heath[/B]
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In his excellent article on Federal issue canteens in the Fall 1995 issue of the Journal of the Company of Military Historians, Earl Coates presents research that addresses this question from the perspective of the 4 Federal Depots that supplied canteens for the Quartermaster Department during the War. First, Coates points out that Leather straps were the standard used by the Army since the War of 1812. They were the standard for the "Pattern 1858" (smooth sided style) canteens turned out by the Philadelphia Depot in the pre war era for thr Regular Army. Coates indicates, however, that leather straps were for all practical purposes discontinued by all Depots by the Winter of 62/63 dispite the fact that they were still technically an allowed standard according to 1865 "Quartermaster Manual". The only other Depot besides Philadelphia known to provide canteens with leather straps was the New York City Depot. As a contract only procurement operation they apparantly allowed both leather and cloth in their contracts until late 1862 when cloth became the defacto standard. Cincinnati and St Louis, the other two Depots that supplied canteens, are not known to have used leather straps only cloth.
In terms of the so called "Bulls eye " pattern ("Pattern 1862"), these were only produced through the Philadelphia Depot. The shift from the smooth sided 1858 Pattern to the corregated 1862 Pattern in Philadelphia occured between July and September of 1862 and apparantly the majority of the canteens out of Philadelphia were 1862 pattern for the remainder of the War. Coates seems to imply, however, that even Philatelphia was still providing some of the 1858 Pattern after the beginning of 1863 on a Contract procurment basis.
My conclusion, therefore, based upon Coates research would be that perhaps a small number of 1862 pattern ("Bulls eye") may have left the Philadelphia Depot in the closing months of 1862 with leather straps but only a small percentage of the total production of such canteens would have been so outfitted. It is far more likely that 1862 Pattern canteens present in the 1863 time frame or afterward would have had cloth straps.
Dick Milstead
Hardaways Battery
Company of Military HistoriansRichard Milstead
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Take a look at the picture of 3 Confederate prisoners at Gettysburg (I do not have the image available to post, but it's the famous one of 3 figures standing/sitting on a fence). Look at the canteens of the man to the left and the man in the center. Both are "bullseye" canteens and (unless I need to have my eyes checked) the thick, dark straps on those canteens seem to be leather.
I agree that cloth may have been the most common strap used for the "bulllseye" pattern, but it was not the only type of strap used.
Rich Stonikas
Co. D 17th Mississippi InfantryRich Stonikas
Co. D 17th Mississippi Vol. Inf.
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Originally posted by Andrew Kasmar View PostHi,
Here is a nother picture of a leather canteen strap on a bull's eye canteen.
Here are pictures of a smooth side canteen and a bullseye canteen with the split straps. The smooth side canteen may be a contractor copy but it is hard to tell.Jim Mayo
Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.
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Back in 2001, the Horse Soldier was selling a bullseye canteen with a gutta percha strap documented to a Vermont soldier.
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Just wondering??? At the "strap change" how many contracts for leather straps were still being filled and how many leather straps had been produced and were sitting in warehouses waiting to be used? Because of those two issues (and nobody knows the answers) it's impossible to put an exact cut off date on the change over. And, these were Army pogues. Who knows how many cases of canteens with leather straps were stacked willy nilly in some depot warehouse and issued whenever the guys in the warehouse got around to it.
You sure some enterprising soldier didn't split his strap with his pocket knife?Last edited by GrumpyDave; 07-31-2008, 02:49 PM.[FONT="Book Antiqua"]"Grumpy" Dave Towsen
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Originally posted by GrumpyDave View PostJust wondering??? At the "strap change" how many contracts for leather straps were still being filled and how many leather straps had been produced and were sitting in warehouses waiting to be used? Because of those two issues (and nobody knows the answers) it's impossible to put an exact cut off date on the change over. And, these were Army pogues. Who knows how many cases of canteens with leather straps were stacked willy nilly in some depot warehouse and issued whenever the guys in the warehouse got around to it.
Originally posted by GrumpyDave View PostYou sure some enterprising soldier didn't split his strap with his pocket knife?Jim Mayo
Portsmouth Rifles, Company G, 9th Va. Inf.
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While we are on the subject of canteens, I just came across a book online that was apparently just published last fall, The Civil War Canteen by by Robert Jones and was curious if anyone had read the book yet and if it was worth ordering a copy.Troy Groves "AZReenactor"
1st California Infantry Volunteers, Co. C
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