Need help with a bit of trivia...

[ohioreb]

My mother's boss has a question that he's asked for assistance in answering.
I don't know what it's for...
and while several terms have come up as possible answers, I wanted to know what you all think.
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What was "the term" for a southerner who left the south to fight for the north?
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I would have said traitor... :)
but I don't think that's what he's looking for.
Thanks in advance.
Rachel
Shifflett

[PogueMahone]

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galvanized Yankee.

[Stonewall_Greyfox]

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Traitor????

[Curt Schmidt]

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Hallo!

Extended Play:

Hallo!

Sometimes, Unionists or Submissionists.

For example:

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"A secession speaker was introduced, and thus addressed the people:

"LADIES AND GENTLEMEN--Fellow citizens, I am a secessionist out and out; voted for Jeff Davis for Governor in 1850, when the same issue was before the people; and I have always felt a grudge against the free state of Tishomingo for giving H. S. Foote, the Union candidate, a majority so great as to elect him, and thus retain the state in this accursed Union ten years longer. Who would be a craven-hearted, cowardly, villainous submissionist? Lincoln, the abominable, white-livered abolitionist, is President-elect of the United States; shall he be permitted to take his seat on Southern soil? No, never! I will volunteer as one of thirty thousand to butcher the villain if ever he sets foot on slave territory. Secession or submission! What patriot would hesitate for a moment which to choose? No true son of Mississippi would brook the idea of submission to the rule of the baboon, Abe Lincoln--a fifth-rate lawyer, a broken-down hack of a politician, a fanatic, an abolitionist. I, for one, would prefer an hour of virtuous liberty to a whole eternity of bondage under Northern, Yankee, wooden-nutmeg rule. The halter is the only argument that should be used against the submissionists, and I predict that it will soon, very soon, be in force.

"We have glorious news from Tallahatchie. Seven


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tory-submissionists were hanged there in one day, and the so-called Union candidates, having the wholesome dread of hemp before their eyes, are not canvassing the county; therefore the heretical dogma of submission, under any circumstances, disgraces not their county. Compromise! let us have no such word in our vocabulary. Compromise with the Yankees, after the election of Lincoln, is treason against the South; and still its syren voice is listened to by the demagogue submissionists. We should never have made any compromise, for in every case we surrendered rights for the sake of peace. No concession of the scared Yankees will now prevent secession. They now understand that the South is in earnest, and in their alarm they are proposing to yield us much; but the die is cast, the Rubicon is crossed, and our determination shall ever be, no union with the flat-headed nigger-stealing, fanatical Yankees.

"We are now threatened with internecine war. The Yankees are an inferior race; they are cowardly in the extreme. They are descended from the Puritan stock, who never bore rule in any nation. We, the descendants of the Cavaliers, are the Patricians, they the Plebeians. The Cavaliers have always been the rulers, the Puritans have ruled. The dastardly Yankees will never fight us; but if they, in their presumption and audacity, venture to attack us, let the war come--I repeat it--let it come! The conflagration of their burning cities, the desolation of their country, and the slaughter of their inhabitants, will


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strike the nations of the earth dumb with astonishment, and serve as a warning to future ages, that the slaveholding Cavaliers of the sunny South are terrible in their vengeance. I am in favor of immediate, independent, and eternal separation from the vile Union which has so long oppressed us. After separation, I am in favor of non-intercourse with the United States so long as time endures. We will raise the tariff, to the point of prohibition, on all Yankee manufactures, including wooden-nutmegs, wooden clocks, quack nostrums, etc. We will drive back to their own inhospitable clime every Yankee who dares to pollute our shores with his cloven feet. Go he must, and if necessary, with the blood-hounds on his track. The scum of Europe and mudsills of Yankeedom shall never be permitted to advance a step south of 36° 30'. South of that latitude is ours--westward to the Pacific. With my heart of hearts I hate a Yankee, and I will make my children swear eternal hatred to the whole Yankee race. A mongrel breed--Irish, Dutch, Puritans, Jews, free niggers, etc.--they scarce deserve the notice of the descendants of the Huguenots, the old Castilians, and the Cavaliers. Cursed be the day when the South consented to this iniquitous league--the Federal Union-- which has long dimmed her nascent glory.

"In battle, one southron is equivalent to ten northern hirelings; but I regard it a waste of time to speak of Yankees--they deserve not our attention. It matters not to us what they think of secession, and


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we would not trespass upon your time and patience, were it not for the tame, tory submissionists with which our country is cursed. A fearful retribution is in waiting for the whole crew, if the war which they predict, should come. Were they then to advocate the same views, I would not give a fourpence for their lives. We would hang them quicker than old Heath would hang a tory. Our Revolutionary fathers set us a good example in their dealings with the tories. They sent them to the shades infernal from the branches of the nearest tree. The North has sent teachers and preachers amongst us, who have insidiously infused the leaven of Abolitionism into the minds of their students and parishioners; and this submissionist policy is a lower development of the doctrine of Wendell Phillips, Gerritt Smith, Horace Greeley, and others of that ilk. We have a genial clime, a soil of uncommon fertility. We have free institutions, freedom for the white man, bondage for the black man, as nature and nature's God designed. We have fair women and brave men. The lines have truly fallen to us in pleasant places. We have indeed a goodly heritage. The only evil we can complain of is our bondage to the Yankees through the Federal Union. Let us burst these shackles from our limbs, and we will be free indeed.

"Let all who desire complete and eternal emancipation from Yankee thraldom, come to the polls on the -- day of December, prepared not to vote the cowardly submissionist ticket, but to vote the secession


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ticket; and their children, and their children's children, will owe them a debt of gratitude which they can never repay. The day of our separation and vindication of states' rights, will be the happiest day of our lives. Yankee domination will have ceased forever, and the haughty southron will spurn them from all association, both governmental and social. So mote it be!"

This address was received with great eclat."

TUPELO BY REV. JOHN H. AUGHEY, A.M., AUTHOR OF "THE IRON FURNACE," "THE GRAMMATICAL GUIDE,"
"SPIRITUAL GEMS OF THE AGES," ETC., AND CHAPLAIN
UNITED STATES ARMY.
CHICAGO: RHODES & McCLURE PUBLISHING CO.
1905


"Tory" as in "tory-submissionist" is quaintly 18th century. ;) :)

Curt

[PogueMahone]

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"Tory" as in "tory-submissionist" is quaintly 18th century. ;) :)

Curt

Maybe, but I've seen the reference to Tories a lot in Tennessee in reference to Unionist civilians.

[Justin Morris]

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Piece of Sh&% :tounge_sm

[J. Donaldson]

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Loyal citizen works for me.

[FloridaConscript]

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a highly technical southern term:

sumb^tch.

[-Jesse-]

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Piece of Sh&% :tounge_sm

yeah, i second this, i remember reading it in a highly creditable book..lol

[lukegilly13]

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In local writings (and there were a bunch of folks around here that did it) were refered to as "Lincolnites" or "Unionists"

[John of the Skulkers Mess]

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"Maybe, but I've seen the reference to Tories a lot in Tennessee in reference to Unionist civilians."

I second that. It might not have been a 'period' term when I saw it but I have heard it. Specifically in regards to the Union Tenn. troops at Fort Pillow.

[missourirelics]

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What Justin said!

Paul Arnold

[Johan Steele]

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How about "US soldier;" failing that "Volunteer", "Patriot", "...proud American off to defend his nation" to name just a few. Galvanized Yankee was a term often reserved for those men who opted to join the US Army to get out of the POW camps and who subsequently served on the frontier. Tory, Tory Unionist, Bluebird (referencing the flight to join the US Army) submissionist, traitor to their state all period terms applied to Southern Men who opted to fight for instead of against their country. More men from Missouri and Kentucky served w/ the US than w/ the CS and large numbers of southerners served from Tennessee and Virginia as well. If the USCT is figured into the count that applies to several other states as well. They gave good service as this link to Dyer will show. http://www.civilwararchive.com/regim.htm

The guttersnipe terms SOB & POS applied to them is frankly... pretty low and certainly not amusing especially w/ Memorial Day around the corner. At the very least such falls far short of the standards expected on this site.

[J_V]

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Setting aside partisan sentiments for a second...

I have not yet seen the term "scalawag" in this thread. I seem to recall this term assigned to either Southerners with Unionist sympathies or to transplanted Northerners in the post-war period.

Perhaps "scalawag" was born post-War?

...but I don't blame the Yankees on this thread for their objections to the harsher words. Fellow Southern men, let's keep this on the high road. We can honor the sacrifice of each side, even if we don't agree with victors' sentiments.

[Gary of CA]

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I have read the term, "Union men" or "Loyal name your place" as in "Loyal Tennesseans."