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    GREAT FIRE AT PHILADELPHIA.; Loss 8100,000 Two Hundred Operatives Thrown Out of Employment.
    Published: November 1, 1861

    [NOTE: I have excerpted this article to only pertain to what is important for Civil War authenticity]




    The three-story buildings, used as an engine, boiler and drying-house, were occupied by JOS. M. DAVIS, who has a large contract for furnishing knapsacks and haversacks. Only the painting and varnishing is done here, the making up being performed elsewhere. The second floor was used for drying purposes. He had about 20,000 haversacks on hand, about one-half of which were in the drying-room at the time of the fire. The greater part of the knapsacks and haversacks, as well as the material, was saved, only about from five to ten thousand of them being destroyed. He is insured to the amount of $3,000 in the Royal Insurance Company. The third story of this building was occupied by BARR & KEHRUM, also manufactures of the same articles. Their loss is very heavy, and not covered by insurance.

    The fire originated over the boiler, and under the room occupied by JOSEPH M. DAVIS. It is supposed that the mixture used to paint the knapsacks dropped from them while hanging to dry, and fell through the flat floor on to the boiler. The flames almost immediately shot into the main building, and soon the whole of the mills were enveloped. The flames, as they burst through the windows, upwards of 200, presented a most beautiful sight. The fire gained such rapid headway that the employees, who were all engaged at the time, had barely time to escape, and several received slight injuries in the attempt. This disaster will Interfere with five Government contracts --two for the manufacture of knapsacks and haversacks, two for flannel, and one for shirts.
    Your Humble Servant,
    Sean R. Otis
    124th NYSV Co. A "Orange Blossoms"
    MIDDLESEX LODGE F. & A.M.

    In Memorium: Harvey Otis, Jr. — 156th NYSV Co. A .
    Killed in action, September 19, 1864,
    at Winchester, VA. Aged 26 years.

    Member of the "Hard Sauce" Mess

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    Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

    Great period reference for a safety issue that we should all be aware of today! Regardless of folks' feelings about the use of linseed oil on reproductions of these types of items, there are hazards to be considered and responsibly handled when working with it.
    ...and that hasn't changed over time!

    Thanks!
    John Wickett
    Former Carpetbagger
    Administrator (We got rules here! Be Nice - Sign Your Name - No Farbisms)

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    • #3
      Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

      I store my haversacks and knapsack on hooks in the garage, rather then in boxes with the rest of my equipment. For just the reasons already mentioned.
      Bill Rodman, King of Prussia, PA

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      • #4
        Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

        Bill, once they completely finish drying there is no real danger. The flamability comes from the vapors, same as with a gas soaked rag. The actual liquid on the rag is too rich to burn. It is the vapor coming off of the object in it's flamable range that can ignite and cause the rest to vaporize and burn. A visual example would be a pool of gasoline on fire. The flames stay on top in the gaseous fuel, they do not travel down into the liquid fuel.

        So basically......if it isnt sticky and real smelly anymore....you probably more than safe enough to store it wherever.
        Scott Sheets
        Joliet, IL

        36th Illinois
        Dirty Shirts

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        • #5
          Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

          Thanks for writing that, Mr. Sheets. I was concerned that this post might become the latest chapter about old knapsacks, haversacks and painted blankets combusting spontaneously. It has been debunked many times over, yet the warnings never cease. The warnings often commence with rehashings of period newspaper articles.

          Since no one has a blanket painting factory in their bedrooms, it is incredibly unlikely to replicate a fire like that. If you're concerned about a new or recently repainted item, leave it outside until you're satisfied the item is completely dry, meaning, you don't detect fumes after leaving the item in a closed room. A trace of fumes is okay. Strong fumes is a problem. I've been handling linseed oil for quite a while with no problems. I always dispose of the rags after a single usage.
          Silas Tackitt,
          one of the moderators.

          Click here for a link to forum rules - or don't at your own peril.

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          • #6
            Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

            I'd say the most interesting part of the orginal newspaper articles (at least to me) is the complete lack of fire safety standards in large cities during the 1860's. Philly, as almost all other towns and cities, was a volunteer dept. at the time. Most larger towns/cities employed a Chief and perhaps a few Fire Engineers/Marshalls to attempt to prevent hazardous fire conditions in their towns. But they had little authority or real knowledge of safe practices at the time. I'm sure noone thought it was as problem to use common (to them) paint products over a boiler. Things like these instances are what led to professional fire dept's. in the larger cities. My own department was jumpstarted by a large fire that took out a few large manufacturers/warehouses in the 1850's.
            Scott Sheets
            Joliet, IL

            36th Illinois
            Dirty Shirts

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            • #7
              Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

              Originally posted by Bill View Post
              I store my haversacks and knapsack on hooks in the garage, rather then in boxes with the rest of my equipment. For just the reasons already mentioned.
              Why? They spontaneously combust because they give off heat as they dry, and if that heat is contained, it can build up to the point that they catch fire, so it's important not to confine them while they're drying. But long after they're dry, the danger is gone. They don't give off heat forever--we could harness that energy like a perpetual motion machine, if they did.

              They'd actually probably be less apt to catch fire, protected in a box from a cigarette ash or other stray spark.

              The original story isn't even about spontaneous combustion, though, unless the cause of the fire was misdiagnosed, since it claims that actual oil dropped onto the burner. Surely people's haversacks aren't still dripping oil in between events.

              Hank Trent
              hanktrent@gmail.com
              Hank Trent

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              • #8
                Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

                Now there's a thought for a new product : Ol' Haversack Oil. So many possible uses....
                Silas Tackitt,
                one of the moderators.

                Click here for a link to forum rules - or don't at your own peril.

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                • #9
                  Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

                  Mr. Tackitt,

                  Sir, I surely did not post this to "rehash" anything, or as you said "become the latest chapter about old knapsacks, haversacks and painted blankets combusting spontaneously. It has been debunked many times over, yet the warnings never cease. The warnings often commence with rehashings of period newspaper articles." I just thought it was interesting when I found it while doing research on something else.....actually I thought most people would be interested in the fact that as the article states---"This disaster will Interfere with five Government contracts --two for the manufacture of knapsacks and haversacks, two for flannel, and one for shirts. I was curious if people had turned up any further information about what they did to fill the contracts, such as substitutions, etc.

                  Sorry for fanning the flames (pun intended) of Haversack/Knapsack mythology
                  Your Humble Servant,
                  Sean R. Otis
                  124th NYSV Co. A "Orange Blossoms"
                  MIDDLESEX LODGE F. & A.M.

                  In Memorium: Harvey Otis, Jr. — 156th NYSV Co. A .
                  Killed in action, September 19, 1864,
                  at Winchester, VA. Aged 26 years.

                  Member of the "Hard Sauce" Mess

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                  • #10
                    Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

                    Sean, I appreciated the post for the bolded parts you mentioned above, and to me, how it plays into the history of the fire service. Thanks for posting the info.
                    Scott Sheets
                    Joliet, IL

                    36th Illinois
                    Dirty Shirts

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                    • #11
                      Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

                      Mr. Otis, I just wanted to make sure no one seized the opportunity to repeat the old arguments. I don't think you crossed the line. Upside is that I have a new name for the olive oil I keep in my haversack.
                      Silas Tackitt,
                      one of the moderators.

                      Click here for a link to forum rules - or don't at your own peril.

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                      • #12
                        Re: Contemporary Dangers of painted Haversacks and Knapsacks

                        I think it's very interesting that he had $3,000 in insurance. Using the website measuringworth.com, I calculate that $3,000 in 1861 is worth "about" $80,000 today, if the good destroyed represented a sellable commodity. It seems like the building was a total loss and probably way more than $3,000 1861USD; what would he have been able to do with the money from the policy? Take it and run? Only payable if he tried to go back in business? What terms existed back then?

                        As a homeowner having to jump through hoops for insurance to help repair 2011 damage, this is intriguing to me...

                        Alexander Vasquez
                        Late of Co. C, 15 IA

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