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    Reflections on The Real Lincoln by Thomas DiLorenzo
    By John M. Lloyd


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    The “Cult of Lincoln” has been a hot topic for debate for the mid-19th Century American enthusiast and scholar. There is a seemingly demi-godlike stance that Abraham Lincoln casts upon the body of American heritage. Most of this aura of saintliness has been transferred to Lincoln’s persona postwar and as part of the mythmaking that happened after the generations that actually knew Lincoln as a person and a politician had died-off. A search for justness-of-cause by Northerners in the wake of the Union victory in the Civil War was the natural output of that victory. Lincoln’s name and reputation postwar underwent this transmogrification as he was the leader of the ‘great, just victory’ in the eyes of the whole world.

    DiLorenzo’s book outlines the basic ideas of how the real Abraham Lincoln was further from the myth that has been told about him in American folklore. To DiLorenzo, despite Lincoln being a likeable person, he was a shrewd politician as well as a dishonest one at times, contrary to the moniker of “Honest Abe” doled out to him by his supporters of the period and afterward. Mere speculation, but perhaps this was anti-Lincoln sarcasm rather than a compliment.

    DiLorenzo puts all aspects of the Lincoln myth to test. The first is that Lincoln was committed to racial equality from a very early point in his personal and political life. DiLorenzo provides ample evidence that this was not so, since on numerous occasions Lincoln upheld slavery’s legality, defended the rights of Southerners to own slaves, as well as once legally defended a Kentucky slave owner. The author says Lincoln had the same views of racial inferiority of blacks as most of his white contemporaries. An apologist for Lincoln might highlight that no politician in the mid-19th Century would get elected on the then-radical ideas of grounds of abolition and equality.

    Second, the author asks the question why was manumission of slaves not the first recourse of the candidate Lincoln or the Lincoln Administration when given the potential chance to do so. The author says this is because of Lincoln’s political views in the Whig party’s consolidation of power at the federal level and tacit opposition of the spread of slavery. The “American System” of the Whig party eventually collapsed due to the rest of the country’s political thought rejecting such a drastic consolidation of power into the hands of the Federal government. Slavery was a political device that the Whigs, and later the National Republicans, used in order to motivate their voting bloc to vote for the party line. Lincoln was no different in this light.

    The book also covers the “right” of secession. Basically, since the founding of the American Republic (of which the Declaration of Independence was really a secession from Great Britain), the Founding Fathers created the US Constitution with the stipulation that the sovereignty of the individual states that made-up the Union could leave it if they so democratically wished to do so since they were the ones that constituted it. While politically and historically I agree with these ideas, my only criticism of this chapter regarding this is that there was no “secession clause” in the Constitution itself, but there were verbal promises and other coordinating documents at the time that promised the States that they could leave the Union if they so desired. Lincoln merely played-upon this “loophole” in the political argument by the Southern states in order to use it against them to keep the Union together. I agree with the author’s conclusion in this regard.

    More topics discussed include how Lincoln was able to somehow destroy the Constitution in order to save it, the legacy of centralization of government versus the true federal system the Founding Fathers envisioned and wrote into the Constitution and the “American System” envisioned by Henry Clay (as well as followed by Lincoln almost sycophantically). One could argue the US needed a stronger centralized federal system of government in order to bring-about a stronger Federal Union in the mid-19th Century and in later years the country as a whole benefitted from what was an abuse of the Constitution. The question becomes, does that make it right?

    The author comes to the same conclusions I was taught while I was at college in the South. Lincoln was not honest at all, but a conniving politician that created his own laws in defiance of existing practices and beliefs. There was not much I did not agree with in this book.
    ERIC TIPTON
    Former AC Owner

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    Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

    Thanks to Johnny for a good review. I do believe I am going to have to read this book for myself. Even before I began to hear about accounts like this, I've always questioned the elevation of Lincoln to demigod status by so many people.
    Thomas T. "Tommy" Warshaw III

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      Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

      Does any serious student of the war take DiLorenzo for a scholar? You don't have to view Lincoln as a demigod to have serious questions about DiLorenzo. For a couple of contrary views, not just of his conclusions but of his basic lack of understanding of the subject, see:



      Thomas DiLorenzo is upset.  No, it’s not because Barack Obama won reelection (although who knows what he may think about that).  It’s because of Abraham Lincoln … or, more specifi…


      A good example of DiLorenzo's laughable incompetence with source material is the allegation [in this article: http://www.lewrockwell.com/2008/10/t...f-the-tyrant/] that McClellan's army at Antietam amounted to only 90,000 of 180,000 because half of them had deserted. Anyone who has ever looked at a morning report (even a blank one used by reenactors) would understand that there's a difference between the "present, for duty" count and that of all soldiers, which would include present but sick, on detached service or extra duty, absent sick, under arrest, &c. In an age when the sick could account for a significant percentage of an army and nearly all staff positions were filled by detached officers and extra duty enlisted men, having "only" half the aggregate present for battle makes perfect sense.

      Further, anyone who has worked with a regimental history would know that the definition of desertion got right fuzzy at times and quite often ended with the ostensible offender returning to the ranks on his own or being discovered to have been in the hospital the whole time.

      This was true for both armies, and the fact that DiLorenzo completely omits any discussion of the same issue in Confederate ranks illustrates that, for him, the conclusion comes first and history a distant second. And his conclusion is aimed less at understanding the world of the mid-19th century than of making broader points about current economic issues.

      In presenting DiLorenzo alongside actual research on topics of interest to living historians the AC Forum only pollutes its brand with a questionable strain of modern politics.
      Michael A. Schaffner

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        Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

        DiLorenzo is not a legitimate scholar of any time period of history, but a Libertarian mouthpiece meant to propagate another style of mythos about the country. Most of his drivel is linearly connected with the original Southern arguments against Lincoln and for secession. If you think this stuff is bad, you should see his Jeffersonian writings.

        I must agree with Mr. Schaffner, this book does not belong in any scholarly, legitimate discussion on the Civil War.
        Bob Welch

        The Eagle and The Journal
        My blog, following one Illinois community from Lincoln's election through the end of the Civil War through the articles originally printed in its two newspapers.

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          Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

          I shake my head when I read this:
          the Founding Fathers created the US Constitution with the stipulation that the sovereignty of the individual states that made-up the Union could leave it if they so democratically wished to do so since they were the ones that constituted it.
          And he is clearly forgetting that SC did not leave democratically... they did to at the point of a bayonet.


          Makes it look like some "lost cause" propaganda.
          Thomas Aagaard

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            Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

            I think that if you want to come to a conclusion about Lincoln, whether he was one of the greatest presidents of this country or the tyrant, you should study the primary sources, ie his writings, letters, speeches, what he did, what his contemporaries said of him and come to your conclusion using those sources rather than turning to a secondary source that has already filtered everything through its own agenda. I haven't ready any of DiLorenzo's works but after looking into the guy and what his agenda is and what academia and scholars of US history have to say about him, I don't plan on giving him any of my money.
            Kenny Pavia
            24th Missouri Infantry

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              Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

              Here in MD , there's plenty to know about Lincoln , he placed the state under military rule during the war.
              Off the top of my head, here is a link about Lincoln's having select members of the state legislature arrested to prevent them voting on seccession:
              http://teaching.msa.maryland.gov/000.../html/t17.html- this from the MD State Historical Society ( references include the O.R.s- they are interesting reading, as many of those arrested detail their experience - the arrest/no trial/ representation/charge's). In Baltimore, following the Pratt St riot, artillery and troops were placed on Federal Hill .
              I read thru Point Lookout micro film rolls ( Nat Archives) and found civilians imprisoned there for Southern sympathys .
              A Rockville, MD newspaper editor (Matthew Fields ) was arrested twice for publishing pro southern editorials ( Charles Jacobs- "Montgomery County( MD) in the C.W.")
              Nationally, Ohio Congressman Vallindigham , ended up exiled for is anti war views.
              http://history.house.gov/HistoricalH...t/Detail/36315-

              The "Collected works of Lincoln" is a good read for these and other related topics.
              I've been meaning to read DiLorenzo's book for some time, this thread reminded me to buy a copy.
              Bob Brewer
              Gaithersburg,MD
              Last edited by rbrewer; 03-30-2014, 03:24 PM. Reason: getting used to a new laptop- sorry
              Robert Brewer

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                Re: Reflections on The Real Lincoln By Thomas DiLorenzo - John Lloyd

                "The Privilege of the Writ of Habeas Corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion the public Safety may require it." The Constitution, Article I, Section 9 (part; emphasis added)
                Michael A. Schaffner

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