german civil war songs

[J.H.Berger]

Re: german civil war songs

Jan, this is a great thread and you would be doing us all a fantastic service if the CD comes through. Let us know if there's anything we can do! One of the high points of my time in the hobby came at the Gettysburg living history last year, singing Morgenrot with you, Sebastien, and Klaus. I'm hoping to have Die Gedanken Sind Frei and the Burgerlied ready for the next McDowell!

Freiheit und Einheit!

Hallo Michael,
nice to hear from you!
If we manage the CD thing you we be one of the first to know!!!
Although I fear I won't be able to come to McDowell because we have a baby now and I will stay at home and my wife doesn't have holidays in May I hope to join you someday in the near future.
What about Shiloh?
I will put together some lyrics to be bound in a little songbook which I will send to you if yopu like to. You only have to search for the tunes if you don't know it;-)
There is a CD available on www.amazon.de with songs from Hoffmann von Fallersleben. I think it is called "Die Gedanken sind frei".
Search for it;-)
Regards
J.H.Berger
Hornist

[Ringgold]

Re: Schlachtgesang

Hey Mark, thanks again. I have made two corrcetions if you don't mind;-)
Best
J.H.Berger
Hornist

I don't mind at all! :wink_smil I don't have a German spellcheck. Wait a minute! Yes I do! DU!! :nerd:

Here's an old favorite that I found in the pages of my Liederbuch. A few differences in the lyrics from what I'm familiar with, but at least I know the music to THIS one! I'm sure it would have been a favorite around the campfire.

Du, Du!

Du, du liegst mir im Herzen,
Du, du, Liegst mir in Sinn!
Du, du, machst mir viel Schmertzen,
Weißt nicht wie gut ich dir bin.
Ja, ja, weißt nicht wie gut ich dir bin.

So, so, wie ich dich liebe,
So, so, liebe auch mich.
Die, die, zärtlichsten Triebe,
Fühle ich ewig für dich. Ja :c


Doch, doch, darf ich dir trauen,
Dir, dir, mit leichtem Sinn,
Du, du, kannst auch mich bauen,
Weißt nicht wie gut ich dir bin. Ja :c


Und, und, wenn in der Ferne,
Mir, mir, dein Bild erscheint,
Dann, dann wünsch’ ich so gerne,
Dass uns die Liebe vereint. Ja :c


:beer_yum:

[Ringgold]

Soldatenlied

Soldatenlied

Burgen mit hohen Mauern und Zinnen
Mädchen mit stolzen höhnenden Sinnen
Möcht' ich gewinnen !
Kühn ist das Mühen, herrlich der Lohn,
Und die Trompeten lassen wir werden,
Wie zu der Freude, so zum Verderben.
Das ist ein Stürmen, das ist ein Leben !
Mädchen und Burgen müssen sich geben.
Kühn ist das Mühen, herrlich der Lohn !
Und die Soldaten ziehen davon.

Hmm . . . short, sweet, and to the point!

I especially enjoyed the "Tin Girls" and the "Girls and Castles must themselves give" parts.
:kiss: :tounge_sm

[J.H.Berger]

Re: Soldatenlied

Nice songs Mark;-)
By the way have you been in Gettysburg last year on the 4th of July at the PA Monument and have you made some artillery presentations ther?
Regards
J.H.Berger
Hornist

[Ringgold]

Re: Soldatenlied

Nice songs Mark;-)
By the way have you been in Gettysburg last year on the 4th of July at the PA Monument and have you made some artillery presentations ther?
Regards
J.H.Berger
Hornist

Jawohl! Der war ich. Ich war den extrem grossen Offizier, das über die Artillerie sprachen. Did I say that right? Mein Deutsch sprache ist ein wenig rostiges. :wink_smil About 100 years rusty!

Were you one of die Deutsche soldaten that stayed in the infantry camp? If so, which one were you?

Man! It's a SMALL world!

[MBBursig]

Re: german civil war songs

Gentlemen,
You all have been quite busy with these songs; much glory to you.
"Du, du liegst mir im Herzen" is a great old standby, I love the melody. It may bring a tear to your eye.
Two things:
Firstly,
I have found a March known as "General Sigel's Grand March" at http://mariah.stonemarche.org/livhis/gensigel.htm
though there is not much information on the site it is just a sound file.
Secondly,
What would be the accuracy in singing the current german national anthem? I believe the melody is from an Austrian Hymn? Though the lyrics have been rearranged/changed. I read somewhere once that there were other German National Anthems before the current one, what would be thier accuracy?

It seems the songs are shaping up quite nicely and I am truly excited about the CD idea. I would love to be involved in some way or another. My German Grandparents both have passed on within the last 4 years, and personally it would be a great tribute to them.

Gut Heil!,

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: german civil war songs

Hallo Kameraden!

Ah, the joys of Chancery Schrifft, Latin Schrifft, and Suetterlin! (aside from each individual's handwriting ability...)

I like to work on WWI German letters but the "Schrifft" is rough- as it looks to my eyes looks like nothing but sharp "m's," "n's," "v's," and "i's." ;-) :-)

Suetterlin was dropped by the Nazi's in 1941 for having a Jewish "connection" so it helps to have someone having been educated in German schools prior to 1941.

But as with any language, the more it is used, the easier it becomes to read any of the older "scripts."

Und auch etwas...

"What would be the accuracy in singing the current german national anthem?"

Prior to 1870/1871, what "Germany?" said Curt-Heinrich the Hessian, who'll be at the Bavarian Military Museum in Donauwoerth in three weeks. . ;-)

Curt-Heinrich Schmidt
Die Scharfschuetzener Messe

(Poor translation of "Ich hatt'...)

[J.H.Berger]

Re: Soldatenlied

Jawohl! Der war ich. Ich war den extrem grossen Offizier, das über die Artillerie sprachen. Did I say that right? Mein Deutsch sprache ist ein wenig rostiges. :wink_smil About 100 years rusty!

Were you one of die Deutsche soldaten that stayed in the infantry camp? If so, which one were you?

Man! It's a SMALL world!

Mensch Mark, die Welt ist echt klein!
The very one who had a talk with you in your camp!!! You know I had asked you about the horse equipment etc. Eyeglasses, goatee, mustache!
I thought so;-) The picture was familiar!
I hope to meet you again somewhere there!
Jan H. Berger
Hornist

[MBBursig]

Re: german civil war songs

"What would be the accuracy in singing the current german national anthem?"

"What Germany"

Good point Herr Schmidt! My Otto Von Bismark Unification thoughts must have escaped me this morning when I wrote the post. I guess what I really wanted to ask then was how known the Haydn melody (which is today's German anthem melody), would have been at the time of our Civil War and the 1848 Revolution. Also the two other songs I found and that were considered early "German National Anthems" (which I suppose means Prussia) were
"Was ist des Deutschen Vaterland" ("What is the German's fatherland?"composed 1825), and "Die Wacht am Rhein" ("The Watch on the Rhine" composed 1854). How known or popular would those songs or melodies had been?

Herr Schmidt, you are a Hessian? My family hails from the city of Kassel (Cassel) and the town of Kirchberg (a very small farming town). Nice to meet a fellow Hessian!

Gut Heil!,

[J.H.Berger]

Re: german civil war songs

Hallo Kameraden!

Ah, the joys of Chancery Schrifft, Latin Schrifft, and Suetterlin! (aside from each individual's handwriting ability...)

I like to work on WWI German letters but the "Schrifft" is rough- as it looks to my eyes looks like nothing but sharp "m's," "n's," "v's," and "i's." ;-) :-)

Suetterlin was dropped by the Nazi's in 1941 for having a Jewish "connection" so it helps to have someone having been educated in German schools prior to 1941.

But as with any language, the more it is used, the easier it becomes to read any of the older "scripts."

Und auch etwas...

"What would be the accuracy in singing the current german national anthem?"

Prior to 1870/1871, what "Germany?" said Curt-Heinrich the Hessian, who'll be at the Bavarian Military Museum in Donauwoerth in three weeks. . ;-)

Curt-Heinrich Schmidt
Die Scharfschuetzener Messe

(Poor translation of "Ich hatt'...)

Hey Curt, when you are in Germany give me a call! 05451 74205! Berger or Felsmann.
You are right. There was NO genaeral German anthem at the time of the Cw because there was no German nation only 36 more or less small kingdoms and counties. The anthem we sing now was written in 1845 I think by Hoffmann von Fallersleben.
Are you also coming to the north of Germany Curt? I am living north of the Ruhrgebiet at the foot of the Teutoburger Wald, yes the very one where Augustus has lost three legions 9a.d.
Regards
J.H.Berger
Hornist

[MBBursig]

Re: german civil war songs

Gentlemen,

http://www.zeit.de/2002/34/200234_a-sigel_xml

I found this while searching for related songs. It is an article on Gen. Sigel, although I cannot read it, as my German is quite limited. The first few sentences aone give me a headache (but that's why I am taking German next semester in college).
Sigel was very active in the Turnverein in NY City, of which ironically I belong to the sister organization the Long Island Turners www.liturners.org Today there is still a bust of him at the Turner Club in the Bronx.
The Turners were very prevelent and a strong force to deal with in the US during the War, they formed Regiments (20th New York, 17th MO, I believe the 32nd Indiana and 9th Ohio had Turner elements as well), schutzen companies, and Carl Schurz was a Turner. Maybe there may be some Turner songs that would fit in what we are looking for. I may have a turner songook somewhere in my house?
Gut Heil,

[J.H.Berger]

Re: german civil war songs

Gentlemen,

http://www.zeit.de/2002/34/200234_a-sigel_xml

I found this while searching for related songs. It is an article on Gen. Sigel, although I cannot read it, as my German is quite limited. The first few sentences aone give me a headache (but that's why I am taking German next semester in college).
Sigel was very active in the Turnverein in NY City, of which ironically I belong to the sister organization the Long Island Turners www.liturners.org Today there is still a bust of him at the Turner Club in the Bronx.
The Turners were very prevelent and a strong force to deal with in the US during the War, they formed Regiments (20th New York, 17th MO, I believe the 32nd Indiana and 9th Ohio had Turner elements as well), schutzen companies, and Carl Schurz was a Turner. Maybe there may be some Turner songs that would fit in what we are looking for. I may have a turner songook somewhere in my house?
Gut Heil,

Hi Mathew,
very interetsing text about Siegel.
We it starts with an article about the celebration about the statue of Siegel at the Riverside Drive in Manhatten ( go there, search for it)
the rest is his history from Baden over Switzerland, France England to the US. Very informative.
Take German in college!!! Great idea!
Regards
J.H.Berger
Hornist

[Ringgold]

Re: german civil war songs



I figured if we are going to compete with the Irish stuff out there, we should have a drinking song or two in the mix. :sarcastic

Was denkst?

[J.H.Berger]

Re: german civil war songs

I figured if we are going to compete with the Irish stuff out there, we should have a drinking song or two in the mix. :sarcastic

Was denkst?

:wink_smil :) :) :) :) :)
Nice but not really about drinking but more metaphoric!
By the way has anybody of you read any referance about the fiollowing songs? I mean ever read in diaries or letters?
"Das Bürgerlied", "Es,es,es und es", "Soldatenschicksal"
Regards
Jan H. Berger
Hornist

[MBBursig]

Re: german civil war songs

Could anyone tell me what song this verse might come from? I found it in the book Der Turner Soldat: A Turner Soldier in America:

Kein Baum gehoerte mir von deinen Waeldern,
Mein war kein Halm auf deinen Roggenfeldern,
Und schutzlos hast du mich hinausgetrieben,
Weil ich in meiner Jugend nicht verstand
Dich wenigerund mehr mich selbst zu lieben,
Und dennoch lieb ich dich, mein Vaterland!

The song is described as a song of the Achtund-vierziger

The only other songs mentioned in the book are "Morgenrot" and while members of the Turnverein are at a Gymnastc meet at the Turner Hall in NYC this is written:
"We also formed two special groups, the singing section (Liedertafel)....Heinicke, Krueger, and Heimer were the first conductors of te Liedertafel. They often said, "Gehoert doch das deutsche Lied unzertrennlich zum Turnen."" But no song title is mentioned....
Also as the 20th New York "Turner" Regiment leaves Manhattan bands are described s playing "german melodies", but then again no titles.

Gut Heil,