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  • #1

    Musket oddity?

    Hallo!

    In this image of a 3rd Corps lad circa 1863, look at the thing (plate, paper label, etc?) between the lock screws of his M1855 or M1861 RM...



    Curt
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  • #2
    Re: Musket oddity?

    Mayhaps he is a fresh-fish, and the musket is a loaner, along with the headpiece?
    S.Sullivan

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    • #3
      Re: Musket oddity?

      Kurt,



      I think this is a Belgian Musket. Look at the Hammer Spur, bumps on the Trigger guard and Rear Sight.


      Your Thoughts?

      Michael Collins
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      • #4
        Re: Musket oddity?

        Could be some sort of serial numbering or another identification mark?

        Just a guess... Johnny Lloyd:wink_smil
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        • #5
          Re: Musket oddity?

          Hallo!

          Kurt, I think this is a Belgian Musket. Look at the Hammer Spur, bumps on the Trigger guard and Rear Sight

          I had given first thought that it was German, Austria, French, or Belgian.

          But NUG, they use either a sideplate that connects the two lock screws, or some have a single lock screw that has a small oval or triangular escutcheon.

          Which led/leads me to consider the possibility that it was a flat banded M1861. However no light is passing under the hammer nose, leading me to think it may be an M1855 even in an 1863 image.
          So, I was thinking that we are seeing reflecting/refracting light "play" off of surfaces and/or possibly caused by movement on the pard of the solider that is distorting the appearance of things.

          (I want to dismiss a foreign gun as an "oddity" in this grouping due to the date, what the other lads have, and the typical problem with mixed calbre ammunition issues...)

          Just my thinking, so far...

          Here is the full image:



          Curt

          (Thanks to Herr Mark S. for finding and posting the image on another board.)
          Last edited by Curt Schmidt; 03-29-2009, 11:01 AM.
          Curt Schmidt
          In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

          -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
          -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
          -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
          -Vastly Ignorant
          -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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          • #6
            Re: Musket oddity?

            I am no expert, but could it be some type of presentation plate? Were enlisted men allowed to use, or purchase privately, their longarms as long as it passed muster? Just a guess...
            Tom "Mingo" Machingo
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            Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
            Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
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            • #7
              Re: Musket oddity?

              According to the original photo caption, these men belong to the 110th Pennsylvania and this view (among others) was taken around Stoneman's Switch in the spring of 1863. The list of armaments carried by this unit at Fredericksburg show them with a combination of .58 Springfields and Enfields. See this previous thread: http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/...sburg+armament

              I'm with Kurt that it's likely a M1861 Springfield. The brass (?) plate is probably soldier ornamentation.
              Bob Williams
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              • #8
                Re: Musket oddity?

                Another well known view of the 110th attached.
                Bob Williams
                26th North Carolina Troops
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                As [one of our cavalry] passed by, the general halted him and inquired "what part of the army he belonged to." "I don't belong to the army, I belong to the cavalry." "That's a fact," says [the general], "you can pass on." Silas Grisamore, 18th Louisiana

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                • #9
                  Re: Musket oddity?

                  Hallo!

                  Thanks Herr Bob!

                  That one is easier. The first lad in line (ostensibly a "corpral without strips"*) does have a late model M1855 RM in the mix.

                  :)

                  Curt


                  * An old "inside joke" from Burkettsville...)
                  Last edited by Curt Schmidt; 03-29-2009, 11:38 AM.
                  Curt Schmidt
                  In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

                  -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
                  -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
                  -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
                  -Vastly Ignorant
                  -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Musket oddity?

                    Originally posted by roundshot View Post
                    According to the original photo caption, these men belong to the 110th Pennsylvania and this view (among others) was taken around Stoneman's Switch in the spring of 1863. The list of armaments carried by this unit at Fredericksburg show them with a combination of .58 Springfields and Enfields. See this previous thread: http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/...sburg+armament

                    I'm with Kurt that it's likely a M1861 Springfield. The brass (?) plate is probably soldier ornamentation.
                    WOW!! Thats a very nice photo of a company of the 110th Regt P.V. I was wondering if you know who has the org. photo if its in a place were I can get a copy of it.

                    Thanks!!

                    Todd A Brickley
                    H Company 110th Regt. P.V.
                    Fürth, Germany
                    Todd A Brickley
                    Company H, 110th Regt. P.V.

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