Learning from Photos

[6Pdr]

Re: Learning from Photos

Thank you Mr. Wickett!

[Danny]

Re: Learning from Photos

Both chains start at the same location. The angle of the bottom U leads straight to the same button hole. I would surmize that both are held in place by the same bar in the button hole. the shorter U has the watch attached because it is all the way at the bottom of the pocket. Pulled there by the weight of the watch...The longer looking U has either a fob or key for winding the watch because it doesn't go all the way to the bottom as it is nowhere near as heavy as the watch. It is just tucked in the pocket for safe keeping... I agree with 10TnVI. Unless a shadow can cast a another shadow there is a 2nd chain or braid there. If you look at each of the U's formed by the 2 rope like objects hanging each one has its own shadow under it; look for the dark/black areas behind each U... watch chains were also made by twisting like rope or braiding a strand of loved ones hair or made with horse hair in the same fashion. So it may not be made of metal which would not reflect light at some point...

Michael, two flags here.

First of all can't you see how much work it takes to make the two chain thing work, and doesn't that throw up a flag for you? Without any actual visual in the photo you need to (a) add a bar and then (b) a watch, and then (c) assign the watch some considerable weight, and then (d) add a key, and then (e) change what everyone was calling a chain into hair, and then (f) braid the hair and then (g) add a shadow to disprove a shadow. Whew...

The second flag for me anyway is the tendency that's developed in this thread; that somehow it's disappointing if there is only one chain, as if there's more value to the image if the subject wears two chains. Let's be honest about that.

And why spite or ignore something that's so easy to verify by recreating the circumstance? So the challenge remains to try to make two chains exit the top edge of pocket slit at exactly the same point, rather than adjacent (either side of each other) without a great amount of fussing to make it so (again, be honest about it). Keep in mind the chains or braids are attached to two supposedly separate and differently-shaped and differently-weighted objects resting a distance below the top edge of the pocket.

That top-lighting effect can also be verified but I grant you it may not be worth all the effort for so small a point.

Despite the effort to trivialize the chain discussion it actually does have merit because we're discussing the exact type of process and tools we should be discussing if we are to learn from photos. The whole jacket type/source thing, as useful as it is, isn't more important than the chain discussion. After all, stitches are counted.

Dan Wykes

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Learning from Photos

Hallo!

In the absence of our ability to verify the reality, we are left with only perceptions. And perceptions based upon observation and opinion. Short of attempting to duplicate the effect without having the ability to know what the watch, chain or chains, or fob/pendant was...


Curt