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    Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

    Hi,

    While doing research for a work project, came across a picture I had not seen. Thought it might be of interest.

    -Sam Dolan
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    Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

    I was thinking it was a series, but maybe there are just two. Here's the other one:

    [Unknown location. Zouave ambulance crew demonstrating removal of wounded soldiers from the field; another view]
    http://hdl.loc.gov/loc.pnp/cwpb.04095
    1 negative : glass, wet collodion. | Photographs of artillery, place and date unknown.


    I'm pretty sure they were taken about the same time of the same ambulance, since the right ambulance horse is taller and holds his head higher, and there's a light-colored horse being held in the background of both. You can see the same corduroy road or low bridge in the background of both, in position as if the photographer had moved his camera while the ambulance stayed still.

    Hank Trent
    hanktrent@gmail.com
    Hank Trent

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    • #3
      Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

      I had a thread on another photo in the same series a while back:
      Authentic Campaigner
      http://authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23890


      Same ambulance, same soldiers, but a different shot/pose.

      Enjoy!
      John Wickett
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      • #4
        Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

        Sir, in these two views, as you look at the officer, notice his sword is on his left side, then on his right side.

        In Johns thread, the detail of the "upholstered" hinged door under the wagon bed has me to wonder what occupied this space, perhaps stretchers. Stretchers look to be on the left outside.

        Looking at the image I thought I saw a hand..., closer look I see it to be the officers gauntlet lying in front of the covered jug.
        Last edited by yeoman; 12-02-2009, 04:12 PM.
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        • #5
          Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

          These photos are included in the first editions of the Photographic History of the Civil War, published by the National Historical Society in the early 1980's.
          Tom "Mingo" Machingo
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          Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
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          • #6
            Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

            Originally posted by yeoman View Post
            In Johns thread, the detail of the "upholstered" hinged door under the wagon bed has me to wonder what occupied this space, perhaps stretchers. Stretchers look to be on the left outside.
            I think it's a Howard ambulance. This site explains it (scroll down to the Howard diagram and description).

            Hank Trent
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            • #7
              Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

              Actually, Miller's "Photographic History" was first published circa 1911, I believe. It was reprinted in 1957 (it was my main Christmas present that year), and, as with the 1911 issuance, has since been replublished in various formats. The original volumes contain the best quality photographic reproduction.
              David Fox

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              • #8
                Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

                Sir and Ma'am, not to take away from original thread, this is a link to Francis T. Millers work.
                Authentic Campaigner
                http://www.authentic-campaigner.com/forum/showthread.php?p=113166#post113166
                Mel Hadden, Husband to Julia Marie, Maternal Great Granddaughter of
                Eben Lowder, Corporal, Co. H 14th Regiment N.C. Troops (4th Regiment N.C. Volunteers, Co. H, The Stanly Marksmen) Mustered in May 5, 1861, captured April 9, 1865.
                Paternal Great Granddaughter of James T. Martin, Private, Co. I, 6th North Carolina Infantry Regiment Senior Reserves, (76th Regiment N.C. Troops)

                "Aeterna Numiniet Patriae Asto"

                CWPT
                www.civilwar.org.

                "We got rules here!"

                The War of the Rebellion: A Compilation of the Official Records of the Union and Confederate Armies

                Battles and Leaders of the Civil War: Being for the most part contributations by Union and Confederate officers

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                • #9
                  Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

                  Hallo!

                  The second image, shared by Herr Hank, is sometimes used as Period photographic documentation of casualties by modern reenactor impressions (wounded man on the viewer's right).

                  Just a-funnin'...

                  :)

                  Curt
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                    Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

                    Originally posted by David Fox View Post
                    Actually, Miller's "Photographic History" was first published circa 1911, I believe. It was reprinted in 1957 (it was my main Christmas present that year), and, as with the 1911 issuance, has since been replublished in various formats. The original volumes contain the best quality photographic reproduction.
                    You're quite right. I have the entire first set printed in 1911 and while the text has some spotty identifications, the photos are very crisp and clear. Its a great history of the war and worth having on your bookshelf.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

                      On close examination of the 2nd photo, the officer has indeed inverted his sword belt so that the hangers and sword will show on the right side vs. the left.
                      Bob Williams
                      26th North Carolina Troops
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                      • #12
                        Re: Has Anyone Seen this? Zouave Ambulance?

                        Originally posted by roundshot View Post
                        On close examination of the 2nd photo, the officer has indeed inverted his sword belt so that the hangers and sword will show on the right side vs. the left.
                        He has also placed his gauntlet on the other hand to keep the effect current.
                        I noticed that he is carrying the US Model 1860 Field and Staff Officers Sword? While the other officer in the first photo has a cavalry sword. His hand is also in a dandy bandage sling.

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