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Don't see images like this too often...studio tintype with a gutta percha knapsack
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Mark,
Where are you seeing the gutta percha?
Aside from that...
It looks like he's got a "pre-1816" musket. Not the "teat" at the rear of the lockplate and the deeply fluted comb on the buttstock.
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Could be the fabric-wrapped "gray" gutta-percha knapsack or as others pointed out on my Facebook page it could be a buff harness on a militia or Mexican War era knapsack.Brian White
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Agreed Wick - also check out the shape and angle of the lower barrel band and the position of the band spring (between the band and the lock, not between the band and the middle spring). Looks like a 1795/1808/12?Originally posted by LibertyHallVols View PostGarrett W. Silliman
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Definitely has the buff shoulder straps in the image. Conjecture on my part as far as gutta percha bag. Link above has a gutta percha knapsack
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Mark: Agreed!
Garrett: Yep! Its definitely an oldy!John Wickett
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Hallo!
Likely a "M1808," maybe a M1798. Not a "M1812" though as the wrist extends into the comb of the buttstock. There are Wickham made M1812's that still had a locklpate with a teat, but the others did not not.
It is interesting, as it would have been a "4th Class" arm made before 1812 and slated for sale as unserviceable or unworthy of alteration in the 1840's survey. I would suspect it is a state arsenal piece perhaps as it is kind of "outside" of the convention.
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Curt, do you have any information about numbers of M1795's or "1808's" being converted over to percussion? That is what that looks like. I don't think that's a Whitney 1798, those didn't have the "teat".
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True, I don't think that the Whitney-produced 98s had a 'teat', but they also comprised only a quarter of the 40,200 muskets contracted for by the government in 1798.Originally posted by Milliron View Post
As to the exact numbers, i don't seem to have that handy. In a book i used to own "The Eagle on US Firearms", they show a converted 1795 lock and mention it's comparative rarity to those of the later patterns, but I thought it had a some hard numbers too. I could be mistaken and don't have it in front of me.Garrett W. Silliman
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Great photo. Note the striking resemblance of this guy to Simon Bolivar Buckner of the 100th New York Infantry. Buckner was a real stalwart whose fascinating letters are chronicled in "One Battle to Many" edited by Richard P. Galloway. This photo is from same. Buckner enlisted on Jan 21st 1862 died at Andersonville. On February 7th from Camp Morgan near Buffalo he notes in a letter: "I have got my likeness and sent it home. . . I think I make a good looking soldier." The likeness shown in the book was taken later. Who knows??!Last edited by roundshot; 03-12-2012, 04:36 PM.Bob Williams
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I love how he has missed a button at the top of his 9 button state jacket, and it falsely appears to be an 8 button. I think I also see a belt loop on the side of the jacket in the viewer's left. I also like the exterior breast pocket. It suggests Illinois to me, but I don't recall if Illinois issued those types of knapsacks. Superb image.Scott Cross
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Actually, only seven buttons are visible and he did, indeed, miss one! I'd say it's a standard 8 button New York Shell with the usual 3 piece "Excelsior" muffin buttons, two button non-functional cuffs, and belt loop on the left side.Bob Williams
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This image is great on so many levels. The background details are almost as interesting as the soldier himself, from the wood-burning stove (with wood still stacked in front of it) to the filthy floor to the draped chair or table. A cramped, cluttered little home studio? Makes me think of an urban tenement, but who knows.Comment
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