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    Thought this was a cool pic of two Hoosier Zouaves with beer mugs in hand.Love the hat too!Posted this on a diffrent board a while back,thought I would share it here.Scroll to the bottom picture.

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    Grandad Wm. David Lee
    52nd Tenn. Reg't Co. B


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    Scott-

    Bully pic, I like the creased hat on the one on the left... very rakish. The guy on the right has the same-looking hat, so it must have been either issued or they bought the hats together...?



    While we're talking about it... let's ask the question for debate everyone wants to know-

    How "common" was beer to a Civil War soldier? More for North or South? How about imported beer? Regionally/time-of-year a specialty or not? Sold by sutlers?

    Was 1860s beer fizzy like today- I'd think not due to the difficulty of keeping "fizz" of beer in a wooden barrel... hmmm?

    Evidence to support assertions is a must on this one as any debate should be on here.

    Yep, I used the search engine first on this one. ;)

    Mods, if this needs another thread category, please move it accordingly.

    - Johnny

    PS- Can't wait to carry Guinness to a quality event.
    Last edited by Johnny Lloyd; 12-14-2007, 02:34 PM. Reason: It's 5 o'clock somewhere
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    • #3
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      Scott,

      are you sure it's beer. I drink my coffe out of that type of mug.

      RM
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      • #4
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        I'm not sure what it is,but the mugs appear to have a "head" on them to me.
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        • #5
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          Originally posted by Rmhisteach View Post
          Scott,

          are you sure it's beer. I drink my coffe out of that type of mug.

          RM
          I've seen that look before. I'd vote beer...

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          • #6
            Re: Beer Buddies

            When a guy called "boozie" says its beer, why would you question it? ;)
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            • #7
              Re: Beer Buddies

              Here's another great picture of some beer buddies http://www.blueacornpress.com/Western36.jpg
              If you will notice the guy on the lower right is pouring some liquid refreshment!
              Rick Spencer
              19th U.S. infantry, The Rock Of Chickamauga!
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              • #8
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                The guy on the left looks like Erol Flynn in Robin Hood with that lid.
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                • #9
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                  I'm off to put on my jaunty hat and pour a pint. Boozie I'll pour one out for you too for sharing that great pic.

                  Edward Parrott
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                  Last edited by Pvt Peck; 12-14-2007, 08:03 PM. Reason: Removed post war reference
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                  • #10
                    Re: Beer Buddies

                    Hi-

                    Any fizzy will do... no particular type. Obviously I'd like to see this turn into a discourse on beer and how it accurately relates to our impressions. Recipies are fine, but how does the final product relate to our impressions?

                    Again Mods, if this needs to be moved for such please do so.

                    1869? You're close to period, but no cigar. The only period book I know of dealing with alcohol was The Bon Vivant's Companion published in California in 1863, I believe. I've read some of it and it looks to be liquor-heavy and I don't recall anything mentioned in it about beer. It was a bartender's bible of the period, not a brewmaster's recipe

                    Cheers -Johnny
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                    • #11
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                      That pic is a dandy, not only for it's contribution to libational history but showing those interesting Indiana quasi-zouave jackets as well. Beer? Oh yea. Often mentioned as Lager in contemporary accounts. Thanks, Mr. Boozie.
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                      • #12
                        Re: Beer Buddies

                        Those photos are great (and now I'm going to try to get of copy of that Western Sharpshooters book!) and here are some possible answers to inquiries about beer:






                        Here's hoping that - burb - helps.
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                        • #13
                          Re: Beer Buddies

                          Wondering.......

                          Was this regiment actually designated as a zouave unit, or could the troops be wearing furlough jackets?
                          Greg Forquer
                          1st (Statehouse) Ohio Light Artillery, Btty A
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                          • #14
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                            Johnny:

                            Thanks for the heads up on the Bon Vivants Companion! Leave it to us out west to publish a bartenders giude early on. I just found it on GOOGLE BOOKS SO will give it a read. I editied my last post to remove the non period reference.

                            Edward Parrott
                            Last edited by Pvt Peck; 12-14-2007, 08:08 PM. Reason: Wandered off topic
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                            • #15
                              Re: Beer Buddies

                              Johnny,

                              Beer of the period differs very little from many that you might have today. Many different styles, still fizzy if your around when they tap the keg (no crown caps). I know there has been a discussion on the forums already, run a search and see if it's still here.

                              As a historian and a brewer, those to interestes overlap for me and I've probably read enough to teach a semester long course on beer alone, feel free to drop me a line with any specific questions on the topic.

                              In the meantime, pick up this little gem, an oldy but a goody:

                              The Alcoholic Republic: An American Tradition By W.J.Rorabaugh
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Justin Runyon[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]; Pumpkin Patch Mess: [/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua]WIG-GHTI[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Organization of American Historians[/FONT]
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                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]CWPT, W.M., Terre Haute #19[/FONT][FONT=Book Antiqua] F&AM[/FONT]
                              [FONT=Book Antiqua]Terre Haute Chapter 11 RAM[/FONT]

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