Confederate dead at Franklin

[Jake Nott]

I need some help. I am looking for a picture I seen several years ago. It is Confederate dead on a porch or in front of a porch (I am fuzzy on this) after the Battle of Franklin, TN. If I remember correctly it was supposed to be Cleburne, Grambury, and some others. I contacted LOC and they are not familiar with the photo. Any help you all can lend will be greatly appreciated.

[CYoungJSU]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

I am not familiar with a photo showing the bodies of Generals Cleburne, Granbury, Adams, etc. laying on the front porch at Carnton. You may try contacting David Fraley or Thomas Cartwright at the Carter House, but like I said, I don't recall any photograph. E-mail carterhouse1864@aol.com and ask one of the above mentioned gentlemen.

CY

[markj]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

Could you actually be thinking of this image?

http://www.topogs.org/images/12Dead_in_front_of_Battery_Robinette.jpg

I'm pretty sure one or more artists have also produced paintings showing the dead generals on the porch. You may want to check websites offering artwork from the "usual suspects" (e.g., Kunstler, Troiani, et. al.)

And, as already stated, check with Tom Cartwright at the Carter House. If anybody has seen, or knows of, such an image, it's him.

Good luck,

Mark Jaeger

[DougCooper]

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I was just there last weekend, touring the house and museum and saw nothing nor I have I ever heard of such a photo. If one existed it is fair statement that all of us would have seen it by now.

I was impressed with their uniform collection, with great care taken in their display. they could use more room, but impressive nonetheless.

The photo in the link below was taken at Corinth after the CS attack on Battery Robinette and shows the body of Col Rogers (2nd Texas) left front.

[bhutton]

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I've seen that picture you refer to, I believe there are (5) ? Confederate generals laid out on the porch of the Carter house , as soon as I find it I'll post a link.

Bob Hutton

[Jubilo]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

Dear Sir ,
I am not certain if an actual photographs of the dead generals exists . I have seen a "reenacted " photograph with General Bill Rambo and others laid out on the Carnton Plantation house with coins on their eyes to portray the dead generals , but I don't remember what site posted it . The search continues. I reckon Tom Cartwright would know !
all for the old flag,
David Corbett

[LWhite64]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

There isnt a period photograph of the dead at Carnton. There have been several recreations of it, but nothing dating back to 1864. Also, there werent 5 generals laid out, that is a popular myth about the battle, I think it has now been determined that there were only 2, one of those being Cleburne, and I think the other being Granbury, I know one of the others was one of Granbury's staff.

Lee

[Jake Nott]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

Gentlemen thanks for your help.

Mark the picture you sent to two men in the forefront resembles the pose; However, I could have sworn the caption read Confederate Generals killed at Franklin.

[rick35ovi]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

Could you actually be thinking of this image?

http://www.topogs.org/images/12Dead_in_front_of_Battery_Robinette.jpg

I'm pretty sure one or more artists have also produced paintings showing the dead generals on the porch. You may want to check websites offering artwork from the "usual suspects" (e.g., Kunstler, Troiani, et. al.)

And, as already stated, check with Tom Cartwright at the Carter House. If anybody has seen, or knows of, such an image, it's him.

Good luck,

Mark Jaeger

If what i was told is True those men (in the picture you posted above)where killed by Birge's western sharpshooters, They say the men tried to crawl under the guns and load from underneath but were shot before they could raise the round up to the barrel! I seem to remember reading that in this book but i will have to go back and double check http://www.blueacornpress.com/Western36.jpg

[jacobite8749]

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I feel very sure that I have seen a photo of the four generals laid out on the back porch at Carnton, so much that I always have "pictured" it in my minds eye when I visited the place. Early visits before it was set out as it is now, and when the bucket marks were to be seen near the operating tables. The Generals bodies were laid out to the right of the porch. It must have been in one of the first books I had, "Embattled Confederates" or perhapsan Illustrated History, or even an article in CWTI from the 70's.

I hope someone finds it and posts it.

[DougCooper]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

If what i was told is True those men (in the picture you posted above)where killed by Birge's western sharpshooters, They say the men tried to crawl under the guns and load from underneath but were shot before they could raise the round up to the barrel! I seem to remember reading that in this book but i will have to go back and double check http://www.blueacornpress.com/Western36.jpg

Those are men of Col Rogers' 2nd Texas and other regiments in the brigade killed assaulting Battery Robinette. A companion photo shows the men laying dead in their original positions, including Rogers' horse. This photo shows them after they were gathered in one spot. Many Union units were involved in the fighting. Here is a painting by Keith Rocco that likely captures the scene: http://www.keithrocco.com/admin/uplo...to-Corinth.jpg

Here is an excellent site with a woodcut of the photo I am talking about. The photographer arrived the day after the fight as the Union burial detail was going about its business. http://www.civilwaralbum.com/misc/corinth4.htm

And here are photos of the 2005 reenactment showing the engineering feet by First Federal Division engineers in reconstructing Battery Robinett to scale. http://www.topogs.org/Corinth2005/photos/photo21.html

[rick35ovi]

Re: Confederate dead at Franklin

Those are men of Col Rogers' 2nd Texas and other regiments in the brigade killed assaulting Battery Robinette. A companion photo shows the men laying dead in their original positions, including Rogers' horse. This photo shows them after they were gathered in one spot. Many Union units were involved in the fighting. Here is a painting by Keith Rocco that likely captures the scene: http://www.keithrocco.com/admin/uplo...to-Corinth.jpg

Here is an excellent site with a woodcut of the photo I am talking about. The photographer arrived the day after the fight as the Union burial detail was going about its business. http://www.civilwaralbum.com/misc/corinth4.htm

And here are photos of the 2005 reenactment showing the engineering feet by First Federal Division engineers in reconstructing Battery Robinett to scale. http://www.topogs.org/Corinth2005/photos/photo21.html

Thanks for the info Doug and the Battery Robinette photos are great! I would have loved to have seen that one in person. Have they left the reconstructed battery there?

[Utley]

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I, too, know of no picture of CS dead laid out on the porch of the Carnton house. Living here in the Franklin area, I've seen most all of the pictures associated with the homes and I am 99% certain that there isn't one out there. I was present for the "Classic Images" video that was done in 1989 for the 125th, and they did lay out five "generals" on the back porch of Carnton for the video, and this image I've seen several different places. They all had either a poncho or blanket covering them.

[DougCooper]

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Thanks for the info Doug and the Battery Robinette photos are great! I would have loved to have seen that one in person. Have they left the reconstructed battery there?

It was deconstructed soon after the event as the farmer wanted his big field back. The woods in the distance to the front of the battery contain lines of original earthworks from the May 62 siege of Corinth.

[vamick]

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There is indeed such a photo and Im real suprised it wasnt on display at Carnton, I first saw it as a kid in Miller's Photographic History of the Civil War in our local library, this set has been reproduced also...they were laid out on Carnton's back porch as I recall, with several people satnding by