Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

[OldState]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

I didn't make the assumption that darker pants = officer but simply stated that if he was the officer as indicated by the author THEN the dark pants as well as the frock would make sense.

I also felt it was odd that no one ever looked at the back of the negative before, but thought that maybe, because the picture was SO famous and reproduced, people had not thought to look at the original in a while.:thinking:

[Horace]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

It's been pointed out that the man in the center has a blanket roll on the wrong shoulder. The fellow at the top/on the left is also wearing that haversack on the wrong shoulder. It may be that a person would opt to wear it that way, especially after being relieved of his cartridge box, but who would tie his cup in front? It really seems that these guys have just picked up or been handed someone else's gear, like within a few minutes. It could be that they were 'loaded up' to make the picture more dramatic. If they had been cleaning up the field, it seems that they'd have more than one of everything.

[vamick]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

If Milhollen didn’t have it, and, as was noted, if Frassanito didn’t find it, and most of all, if it wasn’t in Brady’s or Gardner’s catalogs (and it wasn’t), I would very seriously doubt the attribution. [/I]

Does the author of the Gettysburg book provide any specific and detailed accounting of how he supposedly was able to ID these individuals by name and unit? If so, I'd be interested to know. I simply can't see how multiple researchers could have overlooked any attached identification of the men in the photographs since it would have answered a minor mystery and have been quickly mentioned in various Civil War magazines and books.

Regards,

Mark Jaeger

well now it looks as if we have two ID's...points well taken regarding Brady/Gardner/Frassanito however I would point out no one ever has a discovery until it IS discovered, the fellow I mentioned is giving a talk regarding his ID ing of these three in the next few days and when I get something worked up on it Ill post it for discussion. Historians are ( necessarily so) slow to 'cannonize' new findings so...if one of these ID's do hold up under proofing it will still be awhile before it hits the history books

[markj]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

well now it looks as if we have two ID's...points well taken regarding Brady/Gardner/Frassanito however I would point out no one ever has a discovery until it IS discovered, the fellow I mentioned is giving a talk regarding his ID ing of these three in the next few days and when I get something worked up on it Ill post it for discussion. Historians are ( necessarily so) slow to 'cannonize' new findings so...if one of these ID's do hold up under proofing it will still be awhile before it hits the history books

Well, I'll be interested to see what documentary evidence is provided. I can only hope for his sake that he can provide tangible, and irrefutable, proof. Otherwise, the jury must, and shall, remain "out."

Regards,

Mark Jaeger

[roundshot]

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NO Gary. Actually you have THREE IDs! If you will refer to my post #16 in this thread you will see the attributions of the Alamance (NC) Historical Society. I'm neither endorsing nor denying. Just saying there are more opinions out there than just these two. Needless to say, we all would LOVE to ID these fine men. Keep up the dialogue, fellas.

[OldState]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

It's been pointed out that the man in the center has a blanket roll on the wrong shoulder. The fellow at the top/on the left is also wearing that haversack on the wrong shoulder. It may be that a person would opt to wear it that way, especially after being relieved of his cartridge box, but who would tie his cup in front? It really seems that these guys have just picked up or been handed someone else's gear, like within a few minutes. It could be that they were 'loaded up' to make the picture more dramatic. If they had been cleaning up the field, it seems that they'd have more than one of everything.

If you take a look at the picture of CS prisoners from "Five Forks" you can see a variety in the way the blankets and equipment was carried.

[OldKingCrow]

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I have a 28X36 Kinkos framed print of the high res version of "my three homies' hanging in my weight room. Most guys have athlete posters. Me 3 Rebs = History geek supreme.

I am an elliptical ridin, low carb eatin fool trying to get to that physiotype....I seem to have peaked and now fat loss is being replaced w/ the beginnings of muscle bulk and it is starting to thicken me right back up...doh !!

[Joe Walker]

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I don't have a weight room but my rendition of the "Three Kings" are about 30" X 36". I used "Zazzle".

Joe Walker

[Ryan Halsey]

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If these guys are who vamick says they are, they ae buried about 20 mins. away. My family was from Ashe Co. NC, Grayson Co. and Washington Co. VA. If they were from around here they probably served with my relatives in the 51st Va Inf. and 37th NC.

[vamick]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

NO Gary. Actually you have THREE IDs! If you will refer to my post #16 in this thread you will see the attributions of the Alamance (NC) Historical Society. I'm neither endorsing nor denying. Just saying there are more opinions out there than just these two. Needless to say, we all would LOVE to ID these fine men. Keep up the dialogue, fellas.

WOW...the plot thickens! can yo get ahold of the Alamance research or is it available online somewhere? Mr Dolinger's research ( if I remember it correctly) is pretty compelling in three ways the third standing man is his ggfather ( believe he is related to the other two as well) the small shiney thing on the third mans collar is a small silver name pin,( Ive seen it blown up at high rez) Ive also seen another old photo of his ggmother with the same on...unfortunenately if I remember correctly..she was buried with it on!..SO this side of the great beyond there isnt that smoking gun and it will probably never be 100 percent attribited as his kin..he isnt interested in glory nor axe grinding and outside of a coupla presentations he;s given to historical groups hs isnt even going to publish this ect..Id like to get the info 'out there" for him and let the reader ponder..he;s got me at least 90 percent:D..if we could get all these various ID;s together it would make an interesting thread!

[Elaine Kessinger]

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Could the unusual (for Southerners) shirt/s be ones they got from a house they were hiding in (might also explain a full haversack)? Or if they were wounded in some form, from one of the charitable organizations?

[markj]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

Could the unusual (for Southerners) shirt/s be ones they got from a house they were hiding in (might also explain a full haversack)? Or if they were wounded in some form, from one of the charitable organizations?

Your guess is as good as anyone elses's: the people who could truly answer your questions have likely been dead for 100+ years.

Yours, &c.,

Mark Jaeger

[Brian Wiswell]

>It's been pointed out that the man in the center has a blanket roll on the wrong shoulder. The fellow at the top/on the left is also wearing that haversack on the wrong shoulder. It may be that a person would opt to wear it that way, especially after being relieved of his cartridge box, …<

Have you ever worn your gear differently after being relieved of some of it, especially after having to march with it for a very long time? Example; after taking off your cartridge box, belt and stacking you rifle and then going from one place to another with just your haversack and canteen? Carrying it differently can bring some much-needed relief.

Also, these guys are thought to be prisoners and most likely on their way to a prison camp. The smart person would “gear themselves up” prior to being moved. One doesn’t know what life will be like in prison camp.

>It really seems that these guys have just picked up or been handed someone else's gear, like within a few minutes. It could be that they were 'loaded up' to make the picture more dramatic <

We know that the photographers would stage photos of soldiers, dead and alive. The above could be very true.

>If they had been cleaning up the field, it seems that they'd have more than one of everything.<

Or, just took what they thought they could use.

Brian Wiswell

[FloridaConscript]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

Looking at the fellow on the right (white shirt) what do you suppose that white strap with the leather tab is on HIS right shoulder? It appears to be over the haversack strap. Might there also be a knapsack strap under the white strap??

Also, any chance the middle fellow has an english knapsack? I've always noticed his shoes? low quarter shoes or cut down brogans??

love this photo. I know it sounds silly, but I hope these fellers aren't shirkers or deserters. When I was a kid and 1st getting "into" C/P/HC I would stare at this image for hours...

[Andrew Kasmar]

Re: Closeups of the three Gettysburg prisoners:

Hi,

Also, any chance the middle fellow has an english knapsack?

I do not think that it is a English knapsack. The shape does not seem correct. To me, the knapsack looks like a Mexican War pattern.

Andrew