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  • An Original French Knapsack

    Friends,

    I recently purchased this original French oilcloth knapsack and wanted to share. The previous owner purchased it from a collector out of TN over 50 years ago and used it for reenacting until putting into storage around 30 years ago. He noted that the original owner be bought it from lived outside of Shiloh and collected "local" CS items and also owned a good deal of Federal items purchased from old Bannerman stock.

    The knapsack has seen better days. All of the original buckles/chapes are missing from the underside of the knapsack, while two of the three straps are missing from the outer flap. The mess kit strap and upper blanket straps are of course long gone. Although the roughly sewn pine frame is intact, the original owner added some glue to the inside corner to keep it from "rocking" itself apart. The bag itself has suffered some rips and tears primarily in the lower corners and on the edges of the inside compartment. The shoulder straps, interior straps and all of the trim is still intact.

    There are a lot of interesting features, some of which were unexpected.

    - The outer layer of cloth is a thin, tightly woven linen canvas that is painted black on BOTH sides. This layer is backed on the inside by a lining of very poor grade plain-woven jute which is kept in place by the leather trim stitching, strap stitching, and interior compartment seams. The lining is as rough as modern day burlap or jute sacking but is slightly finer in weave.

    - The leather trim and straps were originally black but have faded and changed color over the years to a deep brown The trim is cut irregularly, overlapped in spots as a quick way of piecing, and crudely machine sewn. Note the remaining basting thread along the lower flap trim; it was simply never removed once the bag was completed!

    - All remaining buckles appear to be galvanized zinc wire with tin sheet rollers. The replacement buckles and the two shoulder strap chapes were added sometime in the 1960's or 70's.

    - The wooden insert appears to be rough cut white pine, nailed together, very light weight and removable.

    - Stitching is a combination of machine and hand sewing. The leather edging trim and outer flap straps are machine sewn with what appears to be a finely twisted brown or natural (darkened with age) linen thread. The bag itself as well as all remaining straps are hand-sewn at 3 - 5 stitches per inch using doubled un-waxed natural linen thread.

    - The leather-trimmed opening on the inside of the outer flap is intact and quickly hand-sewn into place. The compartment is simply the space between the painted linen and jute lining. The opening is so small that I can't see how anyone would be able to fit their hand inside, much less place any folded clothing or personal effects into it.

    - A name or word is inked into the back of the knapsack bag. I was told that it was the last name "Mossier" but closer inspection seems to show that is actually spells "moisselon," "maisselon," or "m bisselon" It's been hard to read even after monkeying around with it in Photoshop.

    If anyone has further questions or would like more photographs do not hesitate to ask! I'd also like to see how mine compares to the other original French knapsacks in regards to quality/method of construction and material.

    Enjoy!
    Attached Files
    Brian White
    [URL="http://wwandcompany.com"]Wambaugh, White, & Co.[/URL]
    [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517"]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517[/URL]
    [email]brian@wwandcompany.com[/email]

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    Re: An Original French Knapsack

    And you're going to start reproducing these when?
    Warren Dickinson


    Currently a History Hippy at South Union Shaker Village
    Member of the original Pickett's Mill Interpretive Volunteer Staff & Co. D, 17th Ky Vol. Inf
    Former Mudsill
    Co-Creator of the States Rights Guard in '92

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    • #3
      Re: An Original French Knapsack

      Warren,

      Look at it I realized that I could do it myself but I don't think that I have the time to add this kind of project to the slate. The exterior and interior fabrics were both cut in one piece like a giant envelope, except for one place where the lining is pieced (piecing is a "finer" bit of the crummy jute stuff) so really there is no sewing except for the straps and trim (even some of these are machine-sewn). I do have the fabric sourced and will probably paint it before sending off to a vendor for a repro, but I am not sure if he wants to add it to his catalog.
      Brian White
      [URL="http://wwandcompany.com"]Wambaugh, White, & Co.[/URL]
      [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517"]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517[/URL]
      [email]brian@wwandcompany.com[/email]

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      • #4
        Re: An Original French Knapsack

        Well, I was half kidding, but it would be a neat knapsack to see in the field.
        Warren Dickinson


        Currently a History Hippy at South Union Shaker Village
        Member of the original Pickett's Mill Interpretive Volunteer Staff & Co. D, 17th Ky Vol. Inf
        Former Mudsill
        Co-Creator of the States Rights Guard in '92

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        • #5
          Re: An Original French Knapsack

          There is only one maker I know of who is currently reproducing a french knapsack. He makes it in both canvas amnd hair on hide versions. I would like to see a comparison of both the original and repro side by side to see how the repro stacks up against the original. The repro maker is American Civil War Knapsacks by Clark Fine out of SC.

          http://acwknapsacks.com/French.html
          [FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=DarkSlateGray][SIZE=3]Michael Phillips, GGG Grandson of
          Pvt Edmond Phillips, 44th NCT, Co E, "The Turtle Paws"[/SIZE]
          [SIZE=2]Mustered in March 1862
          Paroled at Appomattox C.H. Virginia, April 15, 1865[/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]

          [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=Navy][B]"Good, now we'll have news from Hell before breakfast."[/B][/COLOR][/SIZE]
          Was Gen Sherman's response upon hearing the capture and execution of 3 reporters who had followed from Atlanta, by the rebels.
          The execution part turned out to be false.[COLOR=DarkRed] [B]Dagg Nabbit![/B][/COLOR][/FONT]

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          • #6
            Re: An Original French Knapsack

            Sam Haywood is still making them according to his website. The original knapsack he reproduces seems to have been constructed with more care than mine.
            Brian White
            [URL="http://wwandcompany.com"]Wambaugh, White, & Co.[/URL]
            [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517"]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517[/URL]
            [email]brian@wwandcompany.com[/email]

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            • #7
              Re: An Original French Knapsack

              If one was to approach Frank Packer with the idea, he would prolly consider it. Though, comming from Germany and would cost a bit more, his academics are first rate and he's a joy to deal with.

              Thanks for posting this BTW, i've never seen an origional example up close.
              Jeremiah Boring
              Co. B, 1st USSS

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              • #8
                Re: An Original French Knapsack

                Brian,
                I did a foot note search for the letter combination *isse* which appears to be the most legible. Obviously many of these are NOT it, but there a several that may be...

                * Boisseau (272)
                * Morrissett (188)
                * Bissett (106)
                * Morrissey (42)
                * Bissell (40)
                * Whissen (40)
                * Kissee (31)
                * Grissett (16)
                * Crissey (11)
                * Boissean (11)
                * Missett (9)
                * Quissenberry (8)
                * Morrisset (6)
                * Bisset (4)
                * Kissel (3)
                * Boisseaux (3)
                * Fennissee (3)
                * Fissett (2)
                * Heisserich (2)
                * Brissey (1)
                * Kisser (1)
                * Sissen (1)
                * Wissen (1)
                * Grissel (1)
                * Meisser (1)
                * Rissell (1)
                * Hennissey (1)
                * Harrissett (1)
                * Hissell (1)
                * Brissell (1)
                * Keissey (1)
                * Grissendorf (1)
                * Lisseur (1)
                * Nisselrodt (1)
                * Vanrissel (1)
                * Pissen (1)
                * Rusmissell (1)
                * Nissett (1)
                * Cissen (1)
                * Quissenbury (1)
                Last edited by dirtyshirt; 08-25-2011, 09:59 AM.
                V/R
                [FONT="Palatino Linotype"][SIZE="5"]Brandon L. Jolly[/SIZE][/FONT]

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                • #9
                  Re: An Original French Knapsack

                  The next way is, to search on http://www.itd.nps.gov/cwss/soldiers.cfm but this is a lot of work......

                  A very nice knapsack, thanks for sharing !! Pm sent
                  Christof Bastert a.k.a Charles Kaiser, Private,
                  Co D, 17th Mo Vol Inf (Re)

                  In Memory of Anthony and Joseph Schaer,
                  Borlands Regiment/ 62nd Ark. Militia/Adams Inf./Cokes Inf.


                  German Mess

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                  • #10
                    Re: An Original French Knapsack

                    I wonder if painting it on both inside and outside was an expedient for easier construction or if it was a means of enhancing the lifespan of the bag and/or better water proofing?
                    Soli Deo Gloria
                    Doug Cooper

                    "The past is never dead. It's not even past." William Faulkner

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                    • #11
                      Re: An Original French Knapsack

                      Doug, I am not sure of the reason but the painted outer layer is in good shape and still very flexible despite being coated on both sides with what looks like very thick paint. I painted a sample of linen canvas that is incredibly close to matching the original material; looks great with one coat on both sides but I think a second will seal it much better. The interior cloth is similar to a modern 7 oz. burlap but woven in two colors (gray and golden tan). I already have the materials sourced and I'm working on a final pattern for the bag so with some luck I'll be able to paint/cut them out and send them off for finishing. More on this later of course.
                      Brian White
                      [URL="http://wwandcompany.com"]Wambaugh, White, & Co.[/URL]
                      [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517"]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517[/URL]
                      [email]brian@wwandcompany.com[/email]

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                      • #12
                        Re: An Original French Knapsack

                        Brian, are you thinking about making these unfinished packs to sell to individuals, or just to vendors only? I would absolutely LOVE to get my hands on one in unfinished form if anyway possible.
                        Caleb Miller

                        "A man who is clean has a better opinion of himself than one who is not and invariably makes a better soldier. This then is an important matter." - Inspector's comment on MacRae's Brigade, 1864

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                        • #13
                          Re: An Original French Knapsack

                          Caleb, do you mean just the parts cut out like a "knapsack kit?" I don't think I will do that as the current plan is to offer them completed IF they aren't too costly.
                          Brian White
                          [URL="http://wwandcompany.com"]Wambaugh, White, & Co.[/URL]
                          [URL="https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517"]https://www.facebook.com/pages/Wambaugh-White-Company/114587141930517[/URL]
                          [email]brian@wwandcompany.com[/email]

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                          • #14
                            Re: An Original French Knapsack

                            What if I told you I had worn that knapsack around the house as a kid... would you believe me?

                            I pretty sure I know the original owner.

                            Ike Gatlin

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                            • #15
                              Re: An Original French Knapsack

                              How do you know that it wasn't used by a Frenchman in Mexico during the 1860s?

                              You may be chasing your tail on the name search.
                              Cody Mobley

                              Texas Ground Hornets
                              Texas State Troops

                              [HOUSTON] TRI-WEEKLY TELEGRAPH, October 28, 1863,

                              Wanted.

                              All ladies in Houston and surrounding counties who have cloth on hand, which they can spare, are requested to donate it to the ladies of Crockett for the purpose of making petticoats for the Minute Men of this county, who have "backed out" of the service. We think the petticoat more suitable for them in these times.

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