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    Human Sexuality Reflected in the Samuel Odell Letters

    By Scott Cross

    There seems to be a general myth concerning Victorian morality and the sexuality of Americans during the 19th Century. Even the word “Victorian” conjures up images of straight laced ladies and gentlemen who never discussed sexual matters. It is true that there wee certain codes of morality imposed upon Victorians from religious sources of the times, but what were the attitudes of every day people? The fact of the matter is that human beings are sexual creatures and that is just as true of Victorians as it is for anyone else. Primary sources related to these subjects are very rare. The sensitive nature of the subject itself caused many of these documents to be destroyed, but some have survived.

    Samuel Odell migrated west from Cold Springs, Putnam County New York around 1857. He had operated a dry goods store there for several years. In 1858, he went into partnership with Lathrop W. Hull and purchased a small dry goods store from F. F. Hamilton. The store was located in the small community of Butte des Morts, Wisconsin. Odell remained a bachelor for most of his life and eventually married Sarah Van Doren some time in the 1890s. He operated his store until his death until 1917 and his widow ran it until it closed in 1935.

    Odell collected and kept everything, from advertising flyers and broadsides to posters and personal correspondence. Among his collection of personal correspondence are letters from a friend, G. R. Woodworth and some unidentified married women. These letters and notes are extremely rare since they deal with the subjects of sexuality and infidelity. They are even more rare because Odell did not destroy them as their authors requested. The letters have been edited for spelling and punctuation to make them more easily readable.

    W. R. WOODWORTH LETTERS

    Letter #1 - Fairibault, Minn. August 7, 1864

    Well Sam I received your epistle a long time ago and was glad to hear that your Bowells was regular. Sam it has been so hot here that the Farmers done their cooking in the Sun, they say it is Cheaper than wood. Sam what do you think about the draft[?] that is what Bothers me now. Sam we sold out about three weeks ago and made a good thing. I have rented a store and started another shop and there was a man here that wanted to Buy me out yesterday. We have not made the trade yet but I think we shall. I am a going to Osage Iowa if I sell, that is Eighty miles from here. Sam this is the best country that I ever see and a good Place to make money. I don’t see what the Devil you stay in Butte de Morts for when you can make more up here and a Damned sight more business going on here than there unless Butte des Morts has grown since I left. Sam you must of made a good thing on your goods as they have Advanced so much in the last Four months. Everything is high here Except Fucking. That is very low and Plenty to be had at the old Prick. Sam where did you go the Fourth, did you go to Bogk’s? You and me went there last year and got pretty drunk, at least I did. I suppose that Mage Ashby and Wesley B had a good time shooting fire crackers. Sam give my love to all of the Girls and tell Mary Ann that I will come back if there is any chance to, since Peter and Dalton left my chance would be good I think. How does Neilson make it go, does he get as much trade as Pete did? Tell old Mike Doty that I have seen Liby’s Husband that lived at the Agency and he feels very bad to think that Lib got married. Tell woodward that I would like to go in company with him this Fall. Well Sam this is a damned poor letter and you will do well if you can read it. Tell Sarah fish to Kiss my Arse. Give my respects to mr. & Mrs. Hull and Mrs. Petford. Write soon as you get this and I will try to do better next time. Tell me all of the news and what Lucy Abells is doing this summer. Sam burn this letter as soon as you read it. Amen.

    From your Friend

    G.R. Woodworth

    Letter #2 - Fairibault February 6, 1865

    Friend Sam

    It has been a long time since I received your letter. I should have wrote to you before, but I have been very busy and have not had time to write. Dick was taken sick and was sick four days with the brain fever and died Jan. 24th. Rome has gone East with the remains and I am running the machine alone and have all I can do. I had a letter from Frank Robinson last week. He is well and having lots of fun. Sam, Frank says that you are shoving it to Jane Brown. If that is so, Bully for you. That is better than Mrs. Becker. Don’t you think so?

    Sam, what do you think about this draft? I would like to see you with a Suit of Blue Clothes on. Sam, there has not been enough snow here this winter to make a good sleighing, yet the weather is very nice here and no snow. Sam, I sent some papers to Mr. Hull last week. Sam, do you go over to see Lucy Abels now? I would like to be down there about a week. I think that I could have some fun. I suppose that old Miller is there yet. Sam, Has Hull found out who it was that stopped him when he was coming from Oshkosh? That was a good joke on him. How does Nelson get along? Does he do as much business as Pete did? I thought he would do better. I suppose that Old Schoettle is a selling whiskey yet. Sam Beckwith was here from Oshkosh last week. He said that Hull was now running the mill this winter. I suppose that Lattin’s eyes will be sore now until after the draft.

    Sam, you would have had a good time if you had been with me last night and got your Old Root Scraped. If I was in your place I would get out of that place and come up here where you can make something. Sam, give my respects to Mr. & Mrs. Hull and my love to Mary Ann petford and get all the fucking you can. Write as soon as you get this and tell me the news.
    Amen

    Don’t show this
    Letter to annyone
    From your Friend

    G.R. Woodworth

    Letter #3 - Cherry Creek, Dec. 2nd, 1865

    Well Sam

    Here I am in a store doing a Bully Business and making money. I should of wrote to you before, but have had all I could do and more too.

    I received a letter from Ed Moran. He said that he had been to Osage and had got back to Butte. He could not keep away from Miss Jones. He is a Hell of a Boy.

    I suppose that Johny Latham is at Petford’s yet. Has Thomas made up his mind what Kind of a Boy George was yet? I suppose that Ed Brown has got his Pea Nut stand to running by this time.
    Sam, I have made four hundred dollars $400 since I came home and have got in a Bully place to make more. I have not Drank a Drop of anything since I left Oshkosh.

    Sam, how does Lucy Abels get along? I would like to see her and Diddle her once more. I suppose all the folks in Butte think that I am a Dam little fool, but I can take care of myself yet. Sam, I wish that you was down here long enough to get your Old Root Scraped. If you can ever come in the state, and don’t come and see me, I will Kick your Ass. I am looking for mr. & Mrs. Hull down here this month, but have not heard from them yet.

    Now Sam, I want you to find out all the news and write and let me know as soon as you get this. Tell Johny that I will write to him as soon as I get time. Give my respects to Mr. & Mrs. Hull and all of the Snots left. [Tell] Ed Moran to get it into every one that he can. Rome has been quite sick, but is better now. Sam, I have got something that I want you to hand to Johny after you read it; Women’s Rights and Bill of Price.

    Write as soon as you get this. Don’t show this to anyone.

    Yours with a Jerk

    G.R. Woodworth

    Direct to Cherry Creek
    Chatauqua County
    New York

    Letter #4 - John E. Latham Letter - Prairie du Chien May 2d

    Friend Sam

    I received your letter some time ago of which it was very interesting to me. It found me well & sound as a Brick & I hope this will find you the same. It is very pleasant here. There is some gay girls up here. I wish you was up here. You could get your old bone varnished. They are thicker than the hair on a dog. They are all a getting married down there I suppose by what I heard. Mary Ann was agoing to be married to that Norwegian. You will have to hurry around or you will lose Mary.

    Well Sam, how does she get along? Is her teats as as big as ever? When you see her, give her my best respects and tell her to keep her nose clean.

    I had a letter from Pat Riley yesterday. He said the folks was all well. He said Ed Moran was living with Old Jones. How does old Bogk get along with his [illegible]. Does the Boys yet go on a spree down there? I haven’t been tight since I came up here. I heard old Braun said I got tight down to Oshkosh that day I left. That ain’t so. How does Oshamus get along this Summer with his farm? Does he keep a man? I suppose he stays home and tends bar. Well as it is a getting late, I will close.

    Write soon, yours
    With a Jerk Bully Boy his Nut Cork by
    John E Latham

    Letter #5 - Unknown Female Author

    [This is possibly the Mrs. Becker referred to in previous correspondence.]

    Vinland Oct. 18th /62

    Friend Sammy

    I suppose you will be surprised to get a letter from me this morning, but perhaps you will not be so much so when you read it. Circumstances oblige me to write it and I hope you will not be offended at me, for believe me I do not mean any offence. Well to begin with I have made up my mind not to come into your store unless I have very particular business. For you know Sam that your conduct towards me is what no woman in my circumstances ought to allow, and still I do not think you are any more to blame than I am. I do not know whether you were really in earnest, what you said about caring so much for me or whether you does it to see how far you could go. There is so much deceit in the world it is almost impossible to know who to trust, but let it be as it will. Time will prove you if you said true or not. As for me I will tell you candidly what I think, and I will trust you to your honor as a Gentleman and not to betray what I tell you. I do think too much of you and it is best for me not to meet you more than I can help. For it can be no benefit to either of us as long as things remain as they are. And if I was free today I do not think you would….well, no matter what……I will not trouble you to read any more. But my honor as a wife forbids me tell you as I do. May god bless you Sam, and bless you with a good true loving wife when you see fit to take one and sometimes please think of one who will always prove a true
    Friend

    PS If you will answer this it shall be safe and please destroy this as soon as you read it.

    Letter #6 - V Sat. July 2d /64

    Dear S

    I remember my promise about the 5th & if you want me to go anywhere I will go. I want to see you very much, but I will tell you all about it when I see you. Now, if you want to go anywhere with me, please let me know by the afternoon mail. I have been up to Julia’s for a week past and the children are there now, so I am all alone, but if I don’t get any line from you this afternoon I shall go back,

    Yours truly

    F______
    Direct to Box 72, nothing else.

    Letter #7 - [No Date]

    [torn section]

    If you want to see me you will have to come here. I have been sick ever since I came back from Osh[kosh]. I have not been to Butte since almost two weeks. I would like to see you very much. I am alone now. I wish you would come up tonight and I will be sure there is no one here. Now be sure & come tonight and oblige
    Yours A____

    Letter #8 - Unknown Author

    GENRL. FREIGHT AND
    TICKET OFFICE
    Desmoines Valley Rail Road
    Keokuk, Iowa June 1st 1866

    Friend Sam

    I wrote you shortly after I came to Iowa but you never seen fit to answer my letter or if you did it never reached me. You promised to write me when I left you, after the dance at Johnny’s Corner. By the way Sam, that was a gay time. I have thought of it often. Hope to indulge in like pleasures with same girls and boys the minute when I get home.

    I am making a longer stay in Iowa than I anticipated when I left home.

    I was for 13 months at Otumwa Junction, 75 miles above here, but am now in the General Office in Keokuk.

    I like the business well, but do not like Keokuk as well as Otumwa. Notwithstanding, it is overflowing with good ripe Maidenheads. You can get any amount of that you set in, in any imaginable Shop. We are having a great season of pleasure just now. Charlie Shay’s Incomparable Troupe – very good; then two weeks later by the fair performers Mr. M. Kean Buchanan & Daughter, Miss Minnie Buchanan, Excellent; Then Palmer’s Great American Circus – not so good; then
    Last edited by Eric Tipton; 06-08-2019, 09:58 PM. Reason: typo
    Scott Cross
    "Old and in the Way"

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    Re: Sex in the 60s

    That is certainly a different perspective on the times, that you don't see normally, but as you said Humans are a sexual Creature.....:)

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    • #3
      Re: Sex in the 60s

      "Get your old root scraped"

      The more things change... :D
      James Rice
      Co. H, 2nd Florida
      [i]"Tell General Hancock that I have done him and you all an injury which I shall regret as long as I live."~ Brig.Gen. Lewis Armistead, CSA[/i]

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        Re: Sex in the 60s

        While doing research for a Living History I'm planning for next year, I ran across some soldier letters. One of them leaves little doubt as to what the author was speaking about.

        Dec. 1st, 1862

        Camp Near Davis Mills, Miss

        Dear Brother

        I received your welcome letter yesterday. We had just moved out to our new Camp 10 miles from LaGrange. The Grand Army has moved on into Mississippi. We are taken out of our old brigade and division and we are now guarding the railroad from LaGrange to Holly Springs and I suppose we shall make our winter quarters in this place. It will be the first time the old regiment had a chance to go into a rest ?irth as good prospects as we now have of stopping.

        Gen. Veatch had us kept out of the brigade and we suppose he is going to keep us with him. I suppose he will take command of this district from Jackson to Holly Springs, when he comes back from sick furlough. We have all his things in our charge. It will be better then marching through the swamps of Miss in the rainy season. I think the war will soon come to an end. Now the old 25th is to have a resting spell. But we will have to keep one eye open all the time now for the damned guerillas may take some of our ?tofe knots off some fruj? Night or morning. The right wing of the regt is at this place and the left wing is seventy miles further up the road. They say the army have had a brush the other side of Holly Springs but I do not know how true it is. Well I am glad to hear you are all well. I am in the best of health and spirits, I hope you had a good nights sleep the night you wrote this letter to me for you said you was damned sleepy. I am glad you liked that South Letter. It will show you that the girls down here in Dixie understand what’s what as well as anybody else. Well the poor things, if I came across any of them that are hard up (and I often have a hard up) I will try and accommodate them. Not as you know like it so well. But just for charity sake. For I couldn’t stand to see any poor girl suffer. I am glad you are going to try and think of me again at Christmas with a little more of that “pain killer” I shall try and forage (we don’t take any thing here) a turkey and some milk and I will drink your and the family health in some homemade egg nog. These mills that we are stopping at used to be a great place for grinding from the south army and we have more corn meal than we know what to do with. I expect they will feed some of it to the teams. There is more than 800 bushels ground in the mills. The old chap that owned them has gone with them. He was the hardest old south tar this country. I do not think I shall get paid off till the 1st of January now. I suppose the paymaster is waiting to make it six months. Well it will be a pile when it does come. I have nothing more to write at present. Give my respects to Billy Saberton, Joe and Terry and all enquiring friends. Direct your letters to LaGrange as usual and I will get them. Good bye and

        I remain your

        Affection Brother

        Joseph Saberton

        (my respects) Geo C. Pope
        John Spain
        4th Tennessee / 25th Indiana

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        • #5
          Sam Odell Strikes Again!

          I can't believe this! I got a call from a family a few weeks ago to look over the archival materials of an elderly woman who just passed away. Her father was an amateur archeologist and local historian who farmed near the little town of Butte des Morts, Wisconsin. While going through a box I found a paper bag labeled, "Sam Odell letters/1860s". I finally got some time to look them over last week...sure enough, more letters from young ladies! I'll start posting them as I transcribe them.

          [The following is an undated letter that is addressed to “Mr. Odell” without a postage mark, written circa 1865.]

          Mr. Odell,

          I suppose you will think I am out of my mind when you read this letter, but I am not. I will say what I have to say, namely, you have deceived me – but I complain not. I am not about to reproach you. If I have grieved you forgive me. It was a sudden shock to me to be told from you that I was not loved by thee. But it is over now. I feel I can bear it. Now nothing remains but for me to love you. Do not be displeased, it is the sweet lesson I have taught my heart for yours. For it will not, nor would I it should forget. Thou art my heart world. I have heard your words, the arrow has pierced & cloved my spirit’s life, but it has not shivered in my heart wherein your image is reflected. You are dear to me as ever. I may not cease to love you, but why have you not loved? Have I been all unworthy of your manly affection, of that noble love which this hour I would die to know was my own?

          You love me not, alas me. Yet you must love someone, you will love someone. Happy is the one you will love. I have, alas, thought for my love blinded my penetration [perception?] and I was willingly deceived, that I had read love and devotion in your admiring eyes. Enough of this, my dream of love is over now. If it is pleasant, you must be sure to come the day you said you would. I will have so many things to tell you then. If you think it worthwhile, please answer. Burn this as soon as you read it. I need not sign my name, you will know who it is from.
          Scott Cross
          "Old and in the Way"

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            Re: Sex in the 60s

            Your post is very interesting, remember me the very good book " The Story the soldiers wouldn't tell " " Sex in the civilian war " by thomas P.Lowry, M.D. do you know?
            William Miconnet
            French Mess
            AES
            BGR & IPW Survivor
            Never ever give up!
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            • #7
              Re: Sex in the 60s

              I had to do a double take when I saw the verbatim phrase "kick your ass" used. Even though both the act of kicking and the presence of hindquarters have been around for a long time, I did not imaging that that was a period term.
              Tom Scoufalos
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              "If you don't play with your toys, someone else will after you die." - Michael Schaffner, Chris Daley, and probably other people too...

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              • #8
                Re: Sex in the 60s

                Oh. You mean sex in the the EIGHTEEN sixties. I was preparing to tell you a few things about sex in the nineteen sixties: the Y&W Drive-In Theatre in Merrillville, Indiana, Lynnette, the back seat of Dad's '59 Chevy, but then....well...maybe not.
                David Fox

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                  Re: Sex in the 60s

                  well said.... I can tell categorically there was sex in the 1860's...'cause we are here in the 2000's


                  Scott Manderville
                  Grandson of Ebben S. Manderville, Pvt, G Trp 21st NY Cav and Grandson Of Daniel Vandecar, Pvt, Co K, 93rd Ny Inf
                  Scott Manderville

                  In Memory of Pvt Ebben S. Manderville
                  G Trp, 21st NY Cavalry
                  and his brother
                  Pvt William A. Manderville (KIA on Picket Duty outside of Berryville, VA, April 19, 1865)
                  F Trp, 21st NY Cavalry

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                  • #10
                    [The following letter does not have a year, but was probably written in the 1860s to Samuel Odell. The sender does not give her full name and no woman named Nora could be found living in Winnebago County, Wisconsin or Mount Hope, orange County, NY in 1860. Sam did not accept her offer and did not marry until 1890 when he was sixty years old.]

                    Mount Hope July 4th

                    Sir,

                    Permit me to address you through a medium the pen on an important subject Matrimony. For a long period of time I have met you in church and in three public places and have cherished a respect for you that I have not for others of your sex.

                    Sir you must pardon me for my frankness on this subject. You are aware that it is natural for our sex to be rather prudish. I will tell why I cherish this respect for you. First, I admire attraction as I look upon your noble carriage and graceful attitude. I can but admire your personal beauty. You know it is natural for a young lady to [look] at the attractions of a young gentleman, and his accomplishments and I consider you to be an accomplished young man, also a man of rare intellect and can appreciate good society.

                    Second: Position in business is worthy of notice as you are a partner in a wholesale establishment, and the name of being a merchant’s wife, how that sounds among the lower class of people. Yes, I have often put my head into [a] barrel and said “Mrs. Odell” and with the greatest satisfaction I heard it echo back again. Third: you are blessed with a large intellect and well developed, also having the means to alleviate suffering humanity by your benevolence which is worthy of example. Again, I think that you could enjoy society of the domestic circle. I think that you have a good disposition and will be kind to the children.

                    You know that I have not [a] jealous disposition and would be jealous of you if you should speak to the kitchen maid. I have a good education and can appreciate the productions which emanates from a well cultivated mind. In conclusion I think that we ought to be married. I must acknowledge that you have won my affection and I am waiting for you to ask for my heart and hand which is at your disposal. I would be very happy to have an interview with you soon as it would be convenient for you to do so.

                    From your sincerest well wisher,
                    Nora

                    Mr. Samuel Odell
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                      Re: Sex in the 60s

                      HAHA! I wrote a paper a year ago for a history class on sex in Victorian America, I really could have used these letters.

                      I love reading these sorts of letters since there is a group here in AZ who believes the Victorians to be as pious and observant of morality as monks and nuns.
                      - Pvt. S. Martin Aksentowitz
                      1st California Co. F
                      Carleton's Cannibals

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                      • #12
                        Re: Sex in the 60s

                        Ol sam was a tom cat on the prowl. He reminds me if burgess meredith in the grumpy old men series. I'll some how work "get my root scraped" into 1st person in 09.
                        Bryant Roberts
                        Palmetto Guards/WIG/LR

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                          Re: Sex in the 60s

                          More misbehavior in camp:

                          From Daniel Tuttle
                          16th Ohio Battery
                          3rd Division, 13th Army Corps
                          Carlton, LA
                          Dated August 27th 1863

                          Dear Brother,
                          …There is quite a contrast of health, health between this time and the same time last year. Last year at this time, we had 138 men and 17 of them for duty. Now we have 118 men and 100 of them for duty, but I think that there will be quite a number of candidates for the hospital the way they run to the city and to the Public Houses. I think they will get the rheumatism in the middle leg.
                          …The boys is all in the tent making such a noise that I cannot think of anything to write. All they can talk about is the city and the whores in it. Well, I was down there yesterday for the first time, but I could not see any good looking girls in the place. To tell the truth, I never seen so many homely, dirty looking women in my life. It beats St. Louis for dirty whores, and you know that was bad enough…Everything here is cheap except butter and eggs…



                          This is a two-sided letter written to Albert Yetter on February 24, 1864 from two soldier friends, each writing on one side of the letter.

                          Dear Friend Albert,
                          …Al you must take care of number one and take good care of the Gals. Get all the yamyam that you can at my expenses and if you get more than you want send some down to me and Reif for we cannot get any here unless we take Black strap and that is almost too hard to split…
                          from Thomas E. Hooreing

                          Good morning Yetter.
                          …We have to walk about a half a mile to piss. We dare not hold our peckers out and piss out the tent all over…We have all we want, there is only one thing which we don’t get as much as we want. That is yamyam. We could get as much as we want if we split Black Oak but so many fellows has sore cocks that I will not try my hand at it. Harrisburg Tom and I got all we wanted and more too but fortunately didn’t get a big cock…
                          from George W. Reifsnyder
                          Elizabeth Topping
                          Columbus, Ohio

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                            Re: Sex in the 60s

                            This is a great thread. it's so rare to encounter this sort of informal raciness.
                            I'm wondering if you know where Hooreing and Reifsnyder were from, or which regiment...
                            [SIZE="3"][SIZE="2"]Todd S. Bemis[/SIZE][/SIZE]
                            [CENTER][/CENTER][I]Co. A, 1st Texas Infantry[/I]
                            Independent Volunteers
                            [I]simius semper simius[/I]

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                              Re: Sex in the 60s

                              Originally posted by Horace View Post
                              This is a great thread. it's so rare to encounter this sort of informal raciness.
                              I'm wondering if you know where Hooreing and Reifsnyder were from, or which regiment...
                              I bought the letter from the decendant of George W. Reifsnyder. He was a private in Battery D of the 3rd PA Artillery. I know nothing about Hooreing. :cry_smile
                              Elizabeth Topping
                              Columbus, Ohio

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