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    Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

    Hey, Folks,

    I recently got a Lorenz and had a question:
    When my Lorenz is at half-cock, the face of the hammer is only about 1/4" or 3/8" from the cone.

    Is that normal?

    Thanks!
    John Wickett
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    Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

    Hey Comrade,
    The halfcock on my Lorenz is only about a 1/4" from the cone also. Either that is the norm, or we both have screwed up Lorenz rifles.:)

    John Suttorp
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    • #3
      Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

      Same as mine. It's tricky, but you can get a cap on.
      Brent Forney

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      • #4
        Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

        This is normal for originals. The Lorenz has a very short half cock at least on all the originals I have seen and I would estimate I have seen at least 15 different originals if not more. I am sure Kurt or Tim Prince can provide further enlightenment.
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          Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

          John, I'll check mine for you when I get home from work.
          John Greenfield

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          • #6
            Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

            A short half-cock throw like that is normal for the original Lorenz and for French muskets as well. In actual service this was not a problem, the cap is placed on the cone with the hammer at full cock.
            Thomas Pare Hern
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            • #7
              Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

              Great! Thanks, gents! Much appreciated!
              John Wickett
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              • #8
                Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

                John,

                To confirm what you have been told, all of the un-altered Lorenz's that I have encountered (100+ at this point) have that same, very low, half cock. The nice thing is that it actually holds the cap on the cone, without having to crimp in on with your fingers. The down side is capping at full cock and then lowering the hammer. Every time I come across a Lorenz with a "US" style half cock, I find the internal parts have been altered or replaced.

                Enjoy that gun, and I'll hook you up with a bayonet soon.
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                  Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

                  Fellers
                  Mine has been slightly altered and rides more like a domestic weapon. Yours is fine. Smile, its just another annoyance that brings us closer to how they felt.
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                  • #10
                    Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

                    Gents,
                    Don't get me wrong... I dig the low half-cock on the Lorenz. However, I forsee some squirrelly looks from reenactor sergeants and captains during inspection. I'm sure someone will tell me that it is unsafe, despite the fact it was used in N-SSA competition by its former owner, a highly qualified gunsmith. But, whatchagonnado? ;)

                    Thanks!
                    John Wickett
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                    • #11
                      Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

                      Originally posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
                      I have one of their famous Belgian rifles and indeed it is an arm to fear, a perfect cannon."
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                      I'm curious as to which firearm your qoute is in reference to? This is not the first quote I have seen about Belgian rifles being drawn from the Institute...however, I was under the impression that it was the M1851 the LHV originally drew from VMI before marching off to Harper's Ferry.

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                        Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

                        Originally posted by LibertyHallVols View Post
                        Hey, Folks,

                        I recently got a Lorenz and had a question:
                        When my Lorenz is at half-cock, the face of the hammer is only about 1/4" or 3/8" from the cone.

                        Is that normal?

                        Thanks!
                        John mines not even that far away at half cock. The only way I could cap it is at full cock of the hammer. They sure are sweet muskets though aren't they? :D
                        John Greenfield

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                        • #13
                          Re: Lorenz Owners: Half-cock height for an original?

                          Interesting. Until I saw this thread I always assumed low half-cock on my Lorenz was some sort of malfunction.

                          Dave Schwartz
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