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    How does one achieve the gloss finish on leather?

    Paul B.
    Paul B. Boulden Jr.


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  • #2
    Re: Leather Finish

    Hallo!

    As part of the currying process, leather was treated with cod liver oil and tallow.
    The U.S. Ordnance Department looked to this mixture as a finish:

    3 pints of milk
    1 oz. glycerin
    5 pints of blood
    1 oz. carbolic acid
    3 gallons of water
    10 oz of beeswax or carnauba wax

    Today, some makers offer no finish, some makers a "wax" finish of some kind, and many of the Run of the Mill, Brand X, Indian/Pakistani, and Mainstream Sutler Row makers use gloss acrylic finish over black aniline dye.

    Curt
    Curt Schmidt
    In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

    -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
    -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
    -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
    -Vastly Ignorant
    -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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    • #3
      Re: Leather Finish

      Originally posted by Curt-Heinrich Schmidt View Post
      Hallo!

      As part of the currying process, leather was treated with cod liver oil and tallow.
      The U.S. Ordnance Department looked to this mixture as a finish:

      3 pints of milk
      1 oz. glycerin
      5 pints of blood
      1 oz. carbolic acid
      3 gallons of water
      10 oz of beeswax or carnauba wax

      Today, some makers offer no finish, some makers a "wax" finish of some kind, and many of the Run of the Mill, Brand X, Indian/Pakistani, and Mainstream Sutler Row makers use gloss acrylic finish over black aniline dye.

      Curt
      Curt,

      Me Culpa, I should have clarified...as I'm familiar with the process and effects of proper currying...what you have described above, will provide some amount of gloss (resultant from buffing with a good stiff/soft cloth), it's not what I had in mind.

      I'd also love to see a citation for the formula listed above.

      The gloss finish I'm looking for is that like patent leather found on original artifacts, and some very well made products today from respected craftsmen.

      Paul B.
      Last edited by Stonewall_Greyfox; 12-15-2008, 11:29 AM. Reason: *sp, gloss
      Paul B. Boulden Jr.


      RAH VA MIL '04
      (Loblolly Mess)
      [URL="http://23rdva.netfirms.com/welcome.htm"]23rd VA Vol. Regt.[/URL]
      [URL="http://www.virginiaregiment.org/The_Virginia_Regiment/Home.html"]Waggoner's Company of the Virginia Regiment [/URL]

      [URL="http://www.military-historians.org/"]Company of Military Historians[/URL]
      [URL="http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer"]Museum of the Confederacy[/URL]
      [URL="http://www.historicsandusky.org/index.html"]Historic Sandusky [/URL]

      Inscription Capt. Archibold Willet headstone:

      "A span is all that we can boast, An inch or two of time, Man is but vanity and dust, In all his flower and prime."

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      • #4
        Re: Leather Finish

        Hallo!

        Aha.. that is a horse of a different color.

        I will dig out the formula listing when I get home.

        The 1861 U.S. Ordnance Manual, page 174 lists:

        Varnish for Holsters, Scabbards, &c., (or Patent Leather).

        (For first and second coats.)

        Prussian blue, in lumps............................................4 .
        Sugar of lead.............................................. ..........0.7
        Aqua fortis............................................ ...............0.7
        Linseed-oil, boiled............................................ .....70
        Spirits turpentine........................................ ..........24.6

        The ingredients, except the turpentine, are boiled together in an iron kettle eight hours, when the mixture will assume a brilliant black color. When the varnish is nearly cool, stir in the turpentine. The kettle in which the varnish is made should be of a capacity to hold double the quantity of varnish to be boiled.

        ;)

        Curt

        (For the third or finishing coat.-- Copal Varnish.)

        Gum copal (in clean lumps)......................................26.5
        Boiled linseed-oil............................................... .....42.5
        Spirits turpentine........................................ ...........31.

        This varnish is made in a copper vessel, smallest at top, in the form of a still.
        Put the copal in the vessel, set it on a charcoal fire for one hour, in which time it will melt, and all the watery particles will evaporate. Add the oil while the copal is warm, but not boiling hot. When nearly cool, add the turpentine, which will give it a proper consistency for use.
        For 5 lbs. copal and the proper proportions of oil and turpentine of oil and turpentine, the vessel should hold 6 gallons.
        Curt Schmidt
        In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

        -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
        -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
        -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
        -Vastly Ignorant
        -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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        • #5
          Re: Leather Finish

          Do you have any actual experience mixing and
          using these formulas or are you just transcribing?
          John Peterson

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          • #6
            Re: Leather Finish

            Hallo!

            Just posting.

            Curt
            Curt Schmidt
            In gleichem Schritt und Tritt, Curt Schmidt

            -Hard and sharp as flint...secret, and self-contained, and solitary as an oyster.
            -Haplogroup R1b M343 (Subclade R1b1a2 M269)
            -Pointless Folksy Wisdom Mess, Oblio Lodge #1
            -Vastly Ignorant
            -Often incorrect, technically, historically, factually.

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            • #7
              Re: Leather Finish

              Originally posted by Stonewall_Greyfox View Post
              How does one achieve the gloss finish on leather?

              Paul B.

              Try this recipe...if you dare.

              Yours, &c.,

              Mark Jaeger
              Attached Files
              Regards,

              Mark Jaeger

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