Brass framed 1858 Remington

[26th NC]

Gentlemn,

I received as a gift a brass framed 1858 Remington. I can find no reference to the Confederacy having such an animal manufactured. I know about Spiller and Burrs and such, but find no reference to a Remington clone. It's pretty to look at, but I am sure what I got is a fanciful rendition of what Cabela's is selling. I don't particularly want it, but am not going to keep or sell something not authentic.

Layton Pennington

[dculgan]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Melt it down! Or, you can send it to me.
:)
David M Culgan

[Michael Comer]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

You might consider listing it on one of the firearms buy and sell websites like GunBroker of GunsAmerica.

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Hallo!

In brief and to over-generalize...

With the exception of the brass framed Spiller & Burr Whitney clone, the Confederates basically NUG copied the Colt M1851 Navy and to a lesser extent the 3rd Model Dragoon.

A brass framed M1863 Remington clone is a modern repro Italian invention.

Curt

[26th NC]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Curt, thanks. As I stated, I had already done some research and found nothing to indicate Confederate or any other manufacture of a Remington with a brass frame. And as I also indicated, since I know it was purchased at Cabela's, I was certain it was one of their fanciful purchases. Just was not sure if I had missed something. Think I'll keep it just for a fun shoote, it was a gift after all.

Layton Pennington

[Jeremy Bevard]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Curt,

I found a site recently (I will see if I can find it again) that had a picture and description of an original 1863 pocket Remington. The description stated that it was such an item and the early production models were all brass. Then Remington moved to a steel frame but brass for the trigger plate and then finally moved to all steel. The picture seemed convincing when comparing it to the repo 1863 brass Remington that I had (which I just sold).

Thoughts?

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Hallo!

I have never encountered such a beast myself, and I ran it through several Remington reference books.

Remington introduced the "New Model Pocket Revolver" to replace the older 1st, 2nd, 3rd Model Beals' Pocket Revolvers in 1865.
Some of the older and dated Remington books list the NM Pocket Revolver in production from 1863-1873.

It did come in a nickle plated version.

IIRC, CVA introduced an assembled and kit version of the NM Pocket in the mid 1980's but it was several years beforoe it was retooled to have the correct steel frame.

And I had to sigh when I read this referecne:

"It is interesting to note the brass frame on the Remington revolvers. This was not originally planned for any aesthetic appeal. It was done because the confederate troops were short on supplies and wished to use the available gun metal (steel) for cannons and other weapons. Brass was chosen because it was more available and still supplied the necessary strength in the firearm. Union troops did not have such a problem so all of their Remington's were produced in steel. If you ever come across an original Remington revolver in brass you will now know the reason."

If you can find the referecne please post it as it stands to be outside of our knowledge base and likely undocumented.

Curt

[Jeremy Bevard]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Found the site. I was searching for images of original pistols on Google when I found it.

http://www.littlegun.be/arme%20americaine/artisan%20r/a%20remington%20e%20and%20sons%20gb.htm

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Hallo!

THANKS!

It is alway nice to learn somethng new!

(Although I have to convince myself it is not a nickel-plated one that someone in the past unnickeled... as there appears to be some nickelplate around the edge of one screw hole.)

Curt
Who had a nickel-plated Remington M1863 NM Army where the nickel was flaking off

[Ken Knopp]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

This is a bit off the subject matter of this thread (sorry) but "kinda" in the realm .....anyway, can anyone identify this trigger? This was excavated out of Forrest's and Van Dorn's Spring 1863 camps in the Springhill/Columbia area of Tenn. While it looks like a pistol trigger and somewhat like a Federal Josyln pistol at that but, I cannot identify it. Is it a CS pistol, Federal or what?

It is 2 and 3/8's inches long. The trigger is iron the frame is brass.

Curt? Anyone?

Ken R Knopp

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Hallo!

Dunno.

It does not look like any revolver trigger or trigger assembly I can think of.

It most reminds me most of the commercial triggers found on "plainer" civilian muzzleloading rifles of "the era." (Think of the tang screw coming down to secure it into the stock.)

I have inletted a number of very similar ones into custom civillian rifles and trade rifles in the past.

Curt

[M.Latham]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

Hello,

It is a trigger plate for a P53 Rifle/Musket.

[mslaird]

Re: Brass framed 1858 Remington

The common moniker that I have seen associated in the sales pitch for the brass framed Remington is that it is a "Texas Remington." I have never seen anything to support that either. Another damning thing is that a brass framed Remington appeared in the grip of the protagonist in a fairly well recieved and popular movie which usually will ensure that we will be seeing them at plenty of events to come. I keep seeing the Remingtons at early war events, and even worse, Remingtons with modern target sights. It makes me shudder but I have long since realized, in the words of the great Major Ronald Beverage, USMC, "I can lead a horse to water, I can push the horse's head in the water and near drown the beast, but I will be damned if I lock lips with the horse's posterior and suck the water through."