Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

[lukegilly13]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

[QUOTE=CompanyWag;222929]From the hard images in Post 8 all showing lockplates facing in, I'd like to comment on two of them:

Incredible image! This guy is afraid of nothing: Two Whitneys revolvers, one Remington revolver, an unusual view of a cocked Enfield, and two knives mysteriously attached to his cartridge box sling. How'd he do that?
His accoutrements are all reversed to appear correct in the photo, but he also reversed his belt plate. Why? Even in the mirror image, the US will still be upside down:

I think his cartridge box is upside down and it looks like possibly his cap pouch is underneath it. As if the cartridge box is attached to the belt that he put on upside down.

Don't want to be off topic, so I will add that I am of the opinion that they hold the musket in the manner discussed in order to appear in the reversed image as if they are holding the action end in the correct hand.

[YankeeTiger]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Regarding that image, look halfway down both blades.. You will see a metal contraption of some sort that appears to hold the knife(ves) in place.. Perhaps they slide into them.. The large one appear to be a 'keeper'-esque contraption whereas the smaller one appears to rest on a bolt or notch of some sort.. Zoom in and you should see what I am referring to

[Hank Trent]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Regarding that image, look halfway down both blades.. You will see a metal contraption of some sort that appears to hold the knife(ves) in place.. Perhaps they slide into them.. The large one appear to be a 'keeper'-esque contraption whereas the smaller one appears to rest on a bolt or notch of some sort.. Zoom in and you should see what I am referring to

Well that solves the mystery. Thanks, because it doesn't show up on my monitor!

Hank Trent
hanktrent@gmail.com

[YankeeTiger]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Hank, upon further review, te smaller one is held on by another small pair of fasteners where the blade meets the guard

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Hallo!

IIRC, or not...

Don't the LOC images have three levels of "size" to choose form so that at the high setting you can zero down on detail? I was going to check but got distracted.

On my monitor, with this image, I just barely see a white "something" (presumably not a medium solution "speckle") under the blade where it is at the shoulder belt.



I suspect they first removed the breast plate "eagle," and something was rigged through the breast plate holes in the shoulder belt, possibly being seeing in front of the smaller knife's quillon.

Curt

[YankeeTiger]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Curt, correct most of these images can enlarge to a very nice size to see details.. That is how I eas able to see the fasteners/ keepers he rigged for the knives

[CompanyWag]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

I suspect they first removed the breast plate "eagle," and something was rigged through the breast plate holes in the shoulder belt, possibly being seeing in front of the smaller knife's quillon.

Curt: Since this is a reversed image, the subject is wearing his cartridge box and sling backwards. Therefore if an eagle breastplate was present, it would be square in the subject's back between his shoulder blades!

Aron: Thanks! I'll have to venture out to the LOC website and find the high-res depiction of the knife mountings.

You can bet that both knives and revolvers probably got tossed the first hard march this guy went on...assuming they really were his and not merely a photographer's prop.

[gsusat]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

My Quick thought on the images is that they knew the image would be reversed and they put their leathers on backwards and helt the rifle backwards so that it would appear to be on the right side. To achieve the finished look they had to hold the weapon with their left hand low and it low on their left side - putting the lockplate in the rear.

Just one suggestion

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Hallo!

"Curt: Since this is a reversed image, the subject is wearing his cartridge box and sling backwards. Therefore if an eagle breastplate was present, it would be square in the subject's back between his shoulder blades!"

D'oh! Thanks. I wasn't thinking.

But a clever man could have reversed the shoulder belt on the box. Just a-funnin', just a-funnin'.

:) :)

Curt

[guad42]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Just for fun here's another image subject to the discussion here. Notice its an 1822 and is that an 1808 cartridge box or an import? Interesting photo; only one I have ever seen from the 60th Tenn. Infantry.

-Sam Dolan

[gsusat]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Interesting picture. Looks like an English box. Though I am curious what is on his other side?

[LibertyHallVols]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Interesting picture. Looks like an English box. Though I am curious what is on his other side?

Yeah, good point! Ponderous! Great photo!

[guad42]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

This particular soldier is Sgt. James White of "B" Co. 60th Tenn (aka Crawford's 70th). I'm downloading the large tif to see if I can isolate the area that shows what could be two cartridge boxes. Here's a slightly better version. Interesting jacket and what is that he has around his neck that hangs down over one of the buttons?

-Sam Dolan

[guad42]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Here's a few selections from the large tif of the James White photo. I think that's a haversack, not a 2nd cartridge box. I also think those are wood buttons that were colored in the photo to appear brass.

-Sam Dolan

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: Why are the Majority of lockplates in posed Images facing inward?

Hallo!

A beaded necklace with two pocket watch keys?

Curt