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    Having read the research articles by Curt and due to certain circumstances in our unit, I am looking to find out more information about the company we have chosen for our portrayl during living histories. The issue at hand is in regards to the jackets worn by the unit during the time frame of July 61 - July 62.

    The unit we portray is the 9th VA Co E. In the regimental history by Benjamin Trask, they are referred to as "Isle of Wight Blues" or "Rifle Blues". That is the only mention of the company in the book, from that point on they are lumped in and referred to with the regiment.

    They spent the first year as an artillery unit in Northern VA around Isle of Wight county and Fort Boykin. The first question our group is trying to figure out how to answer is: Does the blue reference in their name come from location or from uniforms? Is it possible that they had blue uniforms and were maybe a local militia in the pre-war time period.

    Also while trying to answer these questions, we have some members who are taking a vacation to that area which hopefully will uncover some answers. But along the line of improving our units accuracy, we want to add a 2nd jacket to our kits so that we can do more early war events such as McDowell and the Recons when applicable. We have been looking over any early war photos we can find and have found a relativly even split between dark colored jackets and light colored jackets. Material we figure is most likely jean cloth after reading both the Jensen article and book that Jim Mayo suggested on another thread. A question that arose while looking over these black and white photos was, how can you tell the actual color of the jacket from the photo? In some pictures of the Washington Artillery, their jackets look like a dark gray but in the EOG it has an original jacket and it says it is a blue - gray color. We know also from accounts at Manassas there were confederate units with "blue" colored uniforms.

    Also in reading the Jensen book and article, it mentions that there are few or no existing commutation and RD I jackets to be viewed. So we need to go by the photos. We are wanting to get a jacket that will give us the most versitility in doing early war events (prior to Sharpsburg). We also figure that since the company we portray spent most of the time garrisoned, their uniforms wouldn't have worn out as quick as those who were constantly on the move in the valley or the pennisula. So for our unit to have matching uniforms would not be an unbelievable case.

    I was wondering from groups that have or use commutation jackets how they chose the color or pattern for that jacket. Although from the reading I have seen, it seems that the commutation and RD I is very similiar in many ways.

    The main issue is trying to accurately portray a unit but yet still be PEC so that we can attend events with guidelines that require an "early war" jacket.

    Mods, if this is the wrong folder, please feel free to move to the right one.
    Greg Bullock
    [URL="http://www.pridgeonslegion.com/group/9thvacoe"]Bell's Rifles Mess[/URL]
    Member, [URL="http://www.civilwar.org/"]Civil War Preservation Trust[/URL]
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    Virginia Militia Regulations

    Greg,

    Was this company a pre-war militia unit?

    If so, then I suggest that you research the pre-war Virginia Militia Uniform Regulations.

    The 1858-59 Virginia militia uniform regulations called for gray single breasted frock coats and gray pants. The 1860 regulations called for blue frock coats. This change in uniform regulations could help explain why certain companies included either blue or gray within their company name desigation (i.e. the “Wythe Grays,” the “Smythe Blues,” the “Botts Grays” or the “Hedgesville Blues”).

    This might be one possible explanation for the "Blue" reference in their company name.

    -Best of luck on your research.
    Bret Sumner
    bretsumner@hotmail.com
    4th Virginia, SWB
    www.wythegrays.org

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    • #3
      Re: Whats in a name?

      Bret

      Not sure if they were a pre-war militia. That has yet to be determined, but I figured they may be because they had a "name". I will look into the regulations.

      I did a search when I first started looking into this for the Isle of Wight blues and the first page of hits I received was about VA blues festivals. Not too helpful when wanting to learn about 1861 companies.. but oh well.

      Thanks for the lead about the regulations.
      Greg Bullock
      [URL="http://www.pridgeonslegion.com/group/9thvacoe"]Bell's Rifles Mess[/URL]
      Member, [URL="http://www.civilwar.org/"]Civil War Preservation Trust[/URL]
      [URL="http://www.shenandoahatwar.org/index.php"]Shenandoah Valley Battlefield Foundation[/URL]

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      • #4
        Re: Whats in a name?

        Bret,

        I must most respectfully disagree with your quoting of the Virginia Militia Uniform Regulations.

        I have a copy of the "Revised Militia Law of Virginia" which was to take effect from and after July 1, 1850 and it prescribes for Company officers and Privates of Infantry the following:

        Coat-The same as for field officers, except that the skirts shall reach to the middle of the thigh and no lower.

        Trousers-The same as for field officers

        Trousers-For winter, same material as the coat; for summer, white.


        For field officers of infantry it prescribes:

        Coat-The same as for artillery, substituting silver lace and bullion for gold lace and bullion
        (it doesn't mention anything about field officers trousers)

        For the artillery the uniform prescribed was:

        Coat-Dark blue cloth (it then describes in minute detail the placement of buttons and lace)

        Trousers-Dark blue cloth or cassimere, to come well over the boots and made perfectly plain.....

        In the Militia Law of Virginia 1858 the following is prescribed:

        Coat

        For non-commissioned officers and privates of volunteers-Dark blue cloth; one row of nine buttons on the breast, placed at equal distances; stand up collar as above; cuffs pointed according to pattern in adjutant general's office, and to button with two small buttons under the seam; collar and cuffs edged with color according to corps; a yellow metallic scale on each shoulder; narrow lining for skirt, same material and color as the coat, pockets in the folds of the skirt, with one button at the hip to range with the lowest buttons on the breast; no buttons at the ends of the pockets.

        Trowsers

        To be of dark blue cloth, for all officers and for privates of volunteers, made without plaits. A Gold cord, one-eighth of an inch in diameter, will be worn by general, field, and mounted staff officers; for all corps, a welt or stripe, the color of the facings or trimmings of their respective corps. For sergeants, a stripe of one and a half inches wide; for corporals and privates, half an inch wide-to cover the outer seam.

        However, in 1860 the following was passed:

        An act for the Better Organization of the militia of the Commonwealth, passed March 20, 1860
        "52. The uniform and dress of the officers, non-commissioned officers, musicians and privates of the militia and volunteers, shall be prescribed by the governor, provided the officers and companies now uniformed shall not be required to change their uniforms until the same shall require renewal; and an volunteer company may, with permission of the governor, adopt such uniform as a majority of them desire."

        I believe it is under the last act that grey uniforms became popular and/or the individuals companies simply disregarded the state regulations calling for blue uniforms. I do know that both the Jefferson Guards and the Arsenal (Floyd) Guards did wear the blue uniforms, although they did add their own personal (minor) touches to it. But that simply could be because of their proximity to the Federal Arsenal at Harpers Ferry.
        Last edited by Jefferson Guards; 03-30-2004, 07:59 PM. Reason: formatting problem
        Brian Koenig
        SGLHA
        Hedgesville Blues

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        • #5
          Re: Whats in a name?

          If they were a pre-war militia unit, it's quite likely that they participated in drill competitions, parades, VIP honor guards, etc. If that is the case, the local newspapers will most likely have covered the event ... particularly if some of the local personages were members of the unit. It's possible that you'll find uniform descriptions in there.
          James Brenner

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          • #6
            Re: Whats in a name?

            Also, if they were a pre-war militia company they should have had a set of by-laws or a constitution which sets rules for membership, rank structure, and uniforms. I have not yet been able to find this yet for the Jefferson Guards, but I do have the one for the Arsenal Guards.
            Newspaper accounts are important, it is from those that we were able to determine the uniform of the Jefferson Guards and that it closely followed the Virginia uniform regulations.
            Brian Koenig
            SGLHA
            Hedgesville Blues

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            • #7
              Re: Whats in a name?

              Brian,

              Good info. I do think, however, that there is an intermediary set of regulations. I will dig up my Virginia militia research this evening and provide some additional citation. Thanks for keeping me honest!

              Also, Eric Mink found the pre-war by-laws for the militia unit that became Company E of the 2nd Virginia. I will shoot you a copy via e-mail.

              Yours for Virginia,
              Bret Sumner
              bretsumner@hotmail.com
              4th Virginia, SWB
              www.wythegrays.org

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              • #8
                Re: Whats in a name?

                Glad to see a mention of Fort Boykin in Isle of Wight County. This is a little off topic to your question, but it may be of some slight help. More on that in a moment.

                I assume this is the company you seek, and you already have this information:

                Company E, 9th Regiment, Virginia Infantry:

                "Company E was known as the "Isle of Wight Blues" or "Rifle Blues". This company was formed on May 27, 1861 and for a brief period of time served with the 1st Louisiana Infantry under Captain Henry P. Howell. They manned the Barrett's Point Battery. Company E was reassigned to the 9th Virginia on July 7, 1861 and again reorganized on May 3, 1862. Its captains were:
                Henry P. Howell, enlisted at Smithfield, Virginia on May 27, 1861 and resigned on November 28, 1861. Archibald Duck who was promoted to Captain from 1st Lt. on Dec 21, 1861, and resigned in the spring of 1862. John W. Shivers who enlisted at Ft. Boykin in Isle of Wright County in January, 1862; he was court-martialed January 6, 1864 and reduced to the rank of private.
                Lenius Barton Edwards enlisted on January 14, 1862 at Fort Boykin in Isle of Wright County. He was captured on April 1, 1865 at Dinwiddie Court House and sent to Johnson Island."

                The following site contains the above information and goes into a little more detail about the 9th Regiment:



                That should be pretty much covered in Trask's HE Howard regimental volume, and the USAMHI has a little bibliography at the website listed below, and it may or may not include information in the Trask bibliography, so it is worth checking line by line. Obviously, entries like Crute or Sifakis are general in nature:



                One of the best sources of general information about Tidewater raised units, to inlcude Isle of Wight, Nansemond, and even the Blackwater Operations would be simply to contact Vince Petty. He has moved on to other eras, but is an incredible wealth of knowledge. His email used to be Ludite@aol.com. It would be worth a couple hours on the phone to save a few days fieldwork, and he may be able to answer some uniform questions at the same time.

                Another source of information may be across the river in Newport News via the Virginia War Museum:



                John Quarstein does use Fort Boykin as a stop on his "Defending the Southside" tours, as it was a wartime fort. His contact information is found here:



                Yes, you read that right. Fort Boykin still exists, and the star fort shape can still be seen, except for the north wall which has been eroded down the 50' bluff into Burwell's Bay. It is located at 7410 Fort Boykin Trail, and is more formally known as Fort Boykin Historical Park. The 9th Virginia connection should make it worth at least a brief visit, but aside from the Revoluntionary War, War of 1812 and Civil War connections, it has some nifty history -- since 1623. One phone number for more information is (757) 357-2291, and another is (800) 365-9339.

                - The Isle of Wight County Museum at 103 Main St. in nearby Smithfield has some CW relics and perhaps more "local" information.

                - The fort was constructed in 1623 as a triangular fort to defend against the Spanish and Indians (after a widespread massacre) by Captain Roger Smith, and named "The Castle."

                - Legend has it Tarleton was engaged there during the revolutionary war, and was defeated by local troops. Documentation can be scanty, but don't let that get in the way of local lore. :tounge_sm

                - The fort was named after Major Francis Boykin, a fellow on Gen. Washington's staff at Yorktown during the Rev War. In the War of 1812 fiasco, allegedly two British ships were sunk, and an amphibious raid was defeated at that point.

                - In mid-May 1862, the fort was captured, and two magazines destroyed by federal forces utilizing the USS Susquehanna, USS Minnesota, and the ironclad USS Galena. Just the latter ship had a pair of 100-lbs rifles, and four 9 inch Dahlgren rifles, and easily overpowered the three 42 lbs pieces, and two 8 inch guns backed by some light artillery in the fort.

                - Fort Boykin is mentioned several times in the ORs.

                - It has or at least had a good view of the James River Ghost Fleet. Those ships are gradually being scrapped, and may be gone by now.

                - Fort Boykin is on the National Register, however, Mother Nature is eroding the shoreline at a fairly rapid pace in spite of stabilization efforts.

                - The site is great for bird watching, and a great place for a picnic. Used to be a bunch of peacocks and guinea fowl there, so be forewarned.

                - For the relic hunters, pliocene tusk shells are found on the beach below the bluffs.

                - The famed Sidney "Tiger Lilies" Lanier and his brother were stationed there for a spell:

                "During 1863 and a large part of 1864 the two brothers served as scouts in Milligan's Corps along the James River. The duties were unusually dangerous and onerous, from the fact that their movements had to be concealed, and that they were in constant danger of being captured. In this work of hard riding Lanier displayed a cool and collected courage; he was untiring in his energy, prudent and cautious. Notwithstanding the dangers and hardships, he looked upon the period of life at Fort Boykin on Burwell's Bay -- their headquarters -- as "the most delicious period of his life in many respects." Writing of it later he said: "Our life was as full of romance as heart could desire. We had a flute and a guitar, good horses, a beautiful country, splendid residences inhabited by friends who loved us, and plenty of hairbreadth 'scapes from the roving bands of Federals who were continually visiting that Debatable Land. . . . Cliff and I never cease to talk of the beautiful women, the serenades, the moonlight dashes on the beach of fair Burwell's Bay, and the spirited brushes of our little force with the enemy."

                - There is a 1987 publication entitled; "Review of The Legend, History, and Archaeology of Fort Boykin in Virginia. Society for Georgia Archaeology Profile 55:6." It may be available through interlibrary loan. I'd like to read it myself, as the late Dr. King Reid, one of my favorite professors, did some good work there back in the 1970s.

                - High quality pork products and peanuts can be purchased in the region.

                The fort is certainly worth a visit when your group comes down, and at one time some local CW groups did living histories on the site. I do not know if that practice continues. It's nice to know the fort wasn't pushed into the river to make room for yet more houses even if this doesn't directly address your question.

                Charles Heath
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                • #9
                  Re: Whats in a name?

                  Thanks to all who have supplied leads. Charles, while it seemed off the topic, you post was a great help and also has provided us with some places I didn't think of.

                  I do own the Trask book and so the small paragraph on the 9th, I do have. The other information is most helpful.

                  The biblography has given me a new reason to start using my library card all over again.
                  Greg Bullock
                  [URL="http://www.pridgeonslegion.com/group/9thvacoe"]Bell's Rifles Mess[/URL]
                  Member, [URL="http://www.civilwar.org/"]Civil War Preservation Trust[/URL]
                  [URL="http://www.shenandoahatwar.org/index.php"]Shenandoah Valley Battlefield Foundation[/URL]

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