Cartridge packages

[IowaYank]

Re: Ammunition and arsenal pack questions

Nick, your right about that. I am gonna keep working on this project. I was just getting a little frustrated with it last night. Sometimes it is best just to walk away and come back to something a little later. Will post any findings I come up with.
Thanks

[DaveGink]

Re: Ammunition and arsenal pack questions

It probably would not be hard once the right foam recipe is found to make a split mold out of latex rubber mold material and mass produce these to some degree. Might even be a good retail product.

[jpbab]

Re: Ammunition and arsenal pack questions

I use florists foam or cream of wheat. It's legal in most organizations for pistols so why not other weapons. I took a thin gauge piece of steel/tin and wrapped it around a AA battery. Once it wraps tightly around the battery you can push it throught the florists foam, pull it out, push the head of a 10 penny nail through the tube and make a replica "bullet" that is 100% legal in almost all safety regulations for reenactments I have read.

Dan,
The problem with an authentic Sharps cartridge is the bullet. Paper, skin or linen cartridge tubes were filled with powder then had a bullet inserted into the open end and tied on. There is just no good way to safely duplicate this.
When I make my cartridges for the Sharps, I simply twist the open end and tightly close it. If someone has a manner to safely replicate the appearance of the bullet that is 100% safe, then I too am open to the suggestion.
As for .44 caliber labels, I've attached one I copied from an original.
Dave Myrick

[jpbab]

Re: Ammunition and arsenal pack questions

And I won't tell the story of a friend who cast bullets in wax and painted them- figuring the heat of the firing would turn the wax to liquid and vaporize it in the barrel. The first time out, at a parade, he loaded one and aimed at an overhead street light. The wax bullet shattered the glass, and sprinkled glass down on the marchers. He did not try it again...

It's unbelieveable that some people will live fire something in a crowd that they have never test fired.

My god...first rule of thumb, never do live what you should first practice in a safe place.

[Tyler Gibson]

a self contained cartrage

I have been reading up on cartrage labels, and stumbled upon an article about the use of "self contained" cartrages. apparantly they were three types of them, the most prominant being a paper tube with a mine ball attached on top, with the whole thing being coated in colloidon( a compound made by dissolving nitrocellulose in ether) Ive been experimenting with the design with extremely limited success. is there anyone who has done this, tell me how to get it to work. also, does anyone know of a place for bundle labels for said ammo.

thanks all.

[sauguszouave]

Re: a self contained cartrage

Tyler,

I assume you are looking for rifle-musket cartridges, not pistol or carbine cartridges. You can find info and photos in Dean Thomas' "Round Ball to Rimfire, Part One." There is a color photo of a box of Johnson & Dow waterproof combustible cartridges on the cover and a larger b&w photo inside. The color photo is available on the Thomas Publications website at

http://www.thomaspublications.com/ci...ers_primer.htm

about half way down the page. Click on it to get an enlarged image.

I hope you aren't experimenting with nitrocellulose and ether. Those are extremely explosive substances evidenced by the fact that the Johnson & Dow factory blew up during the war.

Regards,

Paul Kenworthy

[dnaples]

Tyler Arsenal Cartridge Pack Labels

List,

Does anyone have a pic or a description of what the labels on the cartridge packs from the Tyler Arsenal looked like?

Thanks,

[Edwin Carl Erwin]

Re: Tyler Arsenal Cartridge Pack Labels

Mr. Naples,

Have researched the last year also trying to find an extant Tyler Arsenal cartridge label. My hope is that a relic dealer will post an image of an arsenal pack for sale.

No images of labels, but an excellent book on the arsenal is Tyler, Texas, C. S. A. by William A. Albaugh III, ISBN 1-56837-263-9. His 1958 book was reprinted in 1993 by Broadfoot Publishing Company, www.broadfootpublishing.com/.

I'll be in Tyler in late March for a living history at Camp Ford. If I find out anything more I'll let you know.

Regards,

[Stonewall_Greyfox]

Richmond Cartridge Labels???

Does anyone know of original printed labels for Richmond Arsenal produced cartridges for the following calibers (0.54, 0.577, 0.58, 0.69)? So far I have found examples of a .69 caliber Buck and Ball and several small caliber labels for pistols.

Thanks,

Paul B. Boulden Jr.

RAH VA MIL '04

[ley74]

Re: Richmond Cartridge Labels???

On my searches, the Museum of the Confederacy can usually be of help. Ask for Dr. John Coski. There may be a small fee but, a good cause.

http://www.moc.org/site/PageServer

[Reb13thva]

Buck and ball label

Gents,

I used the search function and din't find anything so here it goes. I am looking for a pic of and orginal 69 cal buck n' ball label. or a pic of a good repro. I can't seem to find any pics of origanls or repro's for sale anywere. If you happen to have a pick of this if you could eaither post it or email me at GeeJim39@aol.com with a pic it would be great
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Thanks

James Sturckler

[Pritchett Ball]

Re: Buck and ball label

One of my favorite Relic sites has this...

http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/M15614b.JPEG

You can see more original Arsenal Pac's on the same web site...

http://www.horsesoldier.com/catalog/c0034.html

Are you looking for Confederate, or Yank?
Respectfully:

Kevin Dally

[Pritchett Ball]

Re: Buck and ball label

Oops...that one is a Buck-shot AP.

A book to get that is great for any WBTS collection is Ready...Aim...Fire! Small Arms ammunition in the Battle of Gettysburg: by Dean S. Thomas
ISBN -0-939631-00-8
Thomas Publishing Co.

They have a number of original Arsenal Pack's pictured.

Kevin Dally

[NYCivilWar]

Re: Buck and ball label

James,

You may also want to check out "An Introduction to Civil War Small Arms" by Earl J. Coates and Dean S. Thomas. I don't have mine handy, but I believe that I remember seeing original cartridge labels in the book.

Kyle M. Stetz

[BobSullivanPress]

Re: Richmond Cartridge Labels???

Please check this page out in my on line museum.

http://www.sullivanpress.com/CartridgeLabels.html

There are pictures of Richmond Arsenal labels for 54, 52, 44 and 36 caliber cartridges.