What rifle is this?

[creed1939]

What musket is this 1822, 16, Belgian

[Johnny Lloyd]

Re: What rifle is this?

Darned if it doesn't look like a 1842 Springfield... but then again, my computer resolution stinks:

http://www.antiquearmsinc.com/1842-springfield.htm

Possibly a .58 Cal Belgian...

https://www.collegehillarsenal.com/shop/product.php?productid=799

[creed1939]

Re: What rifle is this?

Notice the distinct "outcrop" on the lower most band.

[Tyler Underwood]

Re: What rifle is this?

I am of the opinion it is a 16 or 22.

[creed1939]

Re: What rifle is this?

I thought it was a Springfield as well. The only thing that has me question it is the lower band. Is it a photo issue or resolution issue perhaps?

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: What rifle is this?

Hallo!

Not a rifle, a musket. But it may be a rifled-musket.

The Model 1816 is aka the M1822.

The image is too low resolution, and my monitor too small to see well. Plus we see the muzzle end only. I vaguely see it. :(

The M1822 has a front band with a square "gap" between the two upper "straps" of the barrel band. The M1840 and M1842 has a step-down and round gap between them.





Curt

[creed1939]

Re: What rifle is this?

I thought it was a Springfield as well. The only thing that has me question it is the lower band. Is it a photo issue or resolution issue perhaps?

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Is this a possibility?

[Craig L Barry]

Re: What rifle is this?

Looks like that old stalwart, the US model 1816/22 to me, but again the image is not that clear. Do you have the identification info on the image? Is it from the Library of Congress? Perhaps a denser version could be examined with greater clarity.

[creed1939]

Re: What rifle is this?

Craig,

Private William Harrison Rockwell (born November 28, 1840), a Columbus County farmer, enlisted in Company H (the Columbus Guards No. 1 or the “Columbus Vigilants”), 18th regiment N.C. State Troops (8th regiment N.C. Volunteers), on April 23th, 1861. Rockwell was killed in action at Frayser’s Farm, one of twenty-one members of his regiment killed or mortally wounded in that battle. He was photographed in the characteristic early-war uniform of the “Columbus Guards No.1,” other examples of which can be seen in image nos. 2.43 and 2.44.

Among the exactly one hundred men who enlisted in the “Columbus Guards No.1” between April and June 1861 were Rockwell’s brother in law and more than twenty of his cousins. Three of the cousins were likewise killed at Frayser’s Farm. William H. Rockwell was the great uncle of Kiffen Rockwell, a North Carolina aviator and member of the LaFayette Escadrille, who was killed in France in 1916.

Image: Sixth plate ambrotype in the possession of Kenneth Rockwell, M.D., descendant.

Source: Greg Mast, State Troops and Volunteers: A Photographic Record of North Carolina Soldiers, Volume 1, p, 318.

[jtrotta]

Re: What rifle is this?

This image appears on the cover of Echoes of Glory, and is of better resolution than the image provided above. There is a slightly better photo here as well: https://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/f...&GRid=70372924

Looking at the image on the book cover, the ramrod compares more favorably to the 40/42 versions (I don't see the typical "button" seen with the 16/22 versions), and if you look closely there appears to be a bayonet lug on the bottom of the barrel, which again would make me lean towards the 40/42.

With my eye, differentiating the upper barrel band and the bottom barrel band between the 16/22/40/42 models is too difficult with the resolution.

Overall, the presence of the bayonet lug on the underside of the barrel, combined with the ramrod style speak 40/42 to me. Whether it's a Springfield, Harpers Ferry, Nippes, etc...... no clue.

[creed1939]

Re: What rifle is this?

John,

Thank you now I can clearly see it!

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: What rifle is this?

Hallo!



From what I can see, and cannot see.... the play of light reflection off the barrel band seems to maybe resemble the M40/42.

All in all, and not being able to see the other end.... I vote (but not definitively) for an M1840 or M1842.

Curt

[Michael Comer]

Re: What rifle is this?

I see what Chris was asking about though with that lower band. It does look like it sticks out away from the stock. I'm sure it is just the angle of the photo but it does look a bit weird.

[Tyler Underwood]

Re: What rifle is this?

Now that we have a clearer image, I am in agreement with Curt.

[Curt Schmidt]

Re: What rifle is this?

Hallo!

True, but I suspect it is the play of light between bright and shadow on the lower band.

Curt