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  • Anderson's Artillery

    I'm not an artilleryman, and I've only been on a gun two or three times, so I really know nothing about it. I am doing research on LaGrange Military Academy, trying to better understand the unit that I portray, and I ran across all of the manuals they used, which included "Anderson's Artillery". Digging into that a little further, I found it was referring to "Instructions for Field Artillery; Horse and Foot" (1839) written by then Captain Robert Anderson.

    My question is this; how common would this particular artillery drill be in the Western Theater of the War? In addition; if the common manual for artillery used in the War is different, how different is it?
    Captain Matthew Joe Mallory
    Co E, 35th Alabama Infantry Regiment
    Co E, 73rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry

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    Re: Anderson's Artillery

    There are several manuals for use in the Civil War. There is an 1845 version of Instructions for Field Artillery: Horse and Foot, 1851 Instructions for Mountain Artillery if you have pack howitzer, and then 1860 Hunt, Barry and French did "Instructions for Artillery". There are also manuals used by militia like Pattens, which is essentially an abridged version of 1860 with illustrations. If you are Federal Artillery, you should most likely be using 1860 Instructions for Artillery unless you find documentation to the contrary, as it was adopted by the War Department in March of 1860. You also have John Gibbons "Artillerists Manual", but it doesn't really cover drill. Here are links to 1860, 1845, Roberts and Pattens manuals.





    The other thing is to get the National Park Service Manual, which is based on 1860 IFA.


    Whatever you do, DO NOT use NCWAA or Loyal Train of Artillery drill or variations of them as references. They are not historical at all, they are made up drill.
    Last edited by Pennvolunteer; 07-10-2017, 11:31 AM.
    Frank Siltman
    24th Mo Vol Inf
    Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
    Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
    Company of Military Historians
    Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

    Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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    • #3
      Re: Anderson's Artillery

      Thank you. My understanding (from the very limited sources I have been able to find) seems to say the Anderson's '39 is very similar if not almost exactly the same as the '45 issue. I've only glanced at the two, so I'm not entirely sure how true that is. It also appears that they both used the French Artillery manual for a reference, and simply translated them.

      I'm running/putting together a Living History/Instruction Program for "cadets" that would teach the manuals, and other things, that were taught at LaGrange Military Academy in 1857-1862, and want to make sure to do it just right. I also want to make sure that if I include this Artillery drill (after finding someone to help with it that is), that it won't be too far off from what is currently used in the hobby. My goal is to learn, and teach these cadets, every process of the three branches so they know what is going on even across the field.
      Captain Matthew Joe Mallory
      Co E, 35th Alabama Infantry Regiment
      Co E, 73rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry

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      • #4
        Re: Anderson's Artillery

        I would also point you to the Facebook group "Authentic Civil War Artillery", and there is very active discussion there on artillery drill and lot's of expertise to share. And yes, the French were the model on artillery. The US Army sent Samuel Ringgold to study in Europe and he brought back the "flying artillery" concept from France that was adopted by the US Army for the Mexican War. If you're focusing on a period starting in 1857, then the 1845 drill may be appropriate.
        What sort of gun would you use for the training and living history? That is also a factor.

        If you look under the Cavalry forum, there is an Artillery discussion sub-forum, and recently I posted about the FA Museum here and our efforts to portray the 1860 drill, with annotations including the NPS drill.
        Last edited by Pennvolunteer; 07-10-2017, 01:56 PM. Reason: added material
        Frank Siltman
        24th Mo Vol Inf
        Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
        Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
        Company of Military Historians
        Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

        Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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        • #5
          Re: Anderson's Artillery

          I did see your post about the FA Museum, and even shared it with a few others. I loved it, very informative.

          Would you know if the 45 Manual might still have been called "Anderson's", even though he was no longer associated with it?

          Here's the bit in my source for LaGrange manuals;

          "Fifth Year - First Class
          Civil and Military Engineering: Mahan's Civil Engineering, Gillespie on Roads and Railroads, Mahan's Field Fortifications, Practical Instructions in Civil Engineering, Constructive Drawing.
          Astronomy: Olmstead's.
          Rhetoric and Ethics: Blair's Rhetoric, Wayland's Moral Philosophy and Upham's Mental Philosophy.
          Mineralogy and Geology: Dana and Hitchcock.
          Infantry and Artillery Tactics: Scott, Hardee and Anderson.
          Infantry or Artillery Drill daily from 5 to 6 p.m., Saturday and Sundays excepted. Dress parade at sunset."

          Wyeth, John A. "History of the La Grange Military Academy" The Brewer Press, New York, 1909
          Captain Matthew Joe Mallory
          Co E, 35th Alabama Infantry Regiment
          Co E, 73rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry

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          • #6
            Re: Anderson's Artillery

            It looks like a good borrowing of USMA's curriculum with Mahan and Olmstead volumes. No the 1845 manual would not be referred to as Anderson's, as it is "compiled by a board of officers" none of whom are named, but Samuel Ringgold was involved and I believe the primary author. It is different as well because from the 1839 manual, the Army introduced the 1841 12 Pdr gun and the 1841 6 Pdr which are addressed in the 1845 manual.
            Frank Siltman
            24th Mo Vol Inf
            Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
            Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
            Company of Military Historians
            Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

            Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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            • #7
              Re: Anderson's Artillery

              Very good points. Would you say the '39 Anderson's might give at least a very basic understanding of artillery used at events? I'm wanting to keep everything as accurate as I can (I can't keep it too accurate, as the actual Academy burned down in '63, and there are some modern homes and structures on the site now), but I also want to make sure to train these cadets well enough to command on the field with a good understanding of the three main combat branches.
              Captain Matthew Joe Mallory
              Co E, 35th Alabama Infantry Regiment
              Co E, 73rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry

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              • #8
                Re: Anderson's Artillery

                Are you training cadets just for events at the Academy, or do you anticipate that they would move on to artillery events hosted on NPS sites? If the latter, you might want to throw in NPS drill as well.
                Michael Denisovich

                Bookkeeper, Indian agent, ethnologist, and clerk out in the Territory
                Museum administrator in New Mexico

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                • #9
                  Re: Anderson's Artillery

                  Both actually. The intention is to train cadets from multiple units (anyone wishing to attend) in Infantry and Artillery tactics and command, while portraying the Cadets of the Academy from 1857 to 1862.

                  I'm already going to have to add some Infantry manuals other than Scott's and Hardee's '55, so adding the NPS drill also sounds like a necessity.
                  Captain Matthew Joe Mallory
                  Co E, 35th Alabama Infantry Regiment
                  Co E, 73rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry

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                  • #10
                    Re: Anderson's Artillery

                    And the NPS Manual is included in the links listed in my first post, and yes, if you are doing any events, that is key.
                    As to training your cadets on the 39 manual used there, I just reviewed it and it is very different; No 2 helps No 1 ram in this drill, No 4 is essentially No 5 in this as opposed to 1860 drill where he fires the piece with the lanyard, and No 3 uses a portfire in this manual to fire the piece as opposed to stopping the vent, assisting in pointing and piercing the powder. The Gunner does No 3's pointing duties in the 39 manual. If you taught this drill, it wouldn't be something you could use at an event, the duties of the cannoneers are much different, so if you wanted to do events not related to the academy's training, they would have to learn 2 different drills.
                    Frank Siltman
                    24th Mo Vol Inf
                    Cannoneer, US Army FA Museum Gun Crew
                    Member, Oklahoma Civil War Sesquicentennial Commission
                    Company of Military Historians
                    Lawton/Fort Sill, OK

                    Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay -- and claims a halo for his dishonesty.— Robert A. Heinlein

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                    • #11
                      Re: Anderson's Artillery

                      Thank you. I think that pretty much settles it then. As much as I want to keep the training to what they actually used at the Academy, I can't use that if I'm expecting these cadets to be able to get out there and do this at typical reenactments.

                      Again, thank you all for the help.
                      Captain Matthew Joe Mallory
                      Co E, 35th Alabama Infantry Regiment
                      Co E, 73rd Indiana Volunteer Infantry

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