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  • #16
    Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

    Hallo!

    Here is a loose "collection" of snippets and pastings from my beef and pork notebook folder:

    PREPARING SALT BEEF
    The Action of Salt on Meat according to Beeton's Book of Household Management (London, 1861):

    "By its strong affinity, salt extracts the juices from the substance of meat in sufficient quantity to form a saturated solution with the water contained in the juice, and the meat then absorbs the saturated brine in place of the juice extracted by the salt. In this way, matter incapable of putrefaction takes the places of that portion in the meat which is most perishable. Such is not the only office of salt as a means of preserving meat. Also, it acts by its astringency in contracting the fibres of the muscles, and so excludes the action of air on the interior of the substance of the meat. The last-mentioned operation of salt as an antiseptic is evinced by the diminution of the volume of meat to which it is applied. The astringent action of saltpetre on meat is much greater than that of salt, and thereby renders meat to which it is applied very hard; but, in small quantities, it considerably assists the antiseptic action of salt, and also prevents the destruction of the florid colour of meat, which is used by the application of salt. Thus, the application of salt and saltpetre diminishes, in a considerable degree, the nutritive, and to some extent, the wholesome qualities of meat. Therefore, the quantity applied should be as small as possible, consistent with the perfect preservation of the meat."

    Authentic Salt Beef (Beeton's Book of Household Management, 1861)
    1/2 round of beef, 4 oz sugar, 1 oz saltpetre, 2 oz black pepper, 1/4 lb. bay salt, 1/2 lb. common salt.
    Rub the meat well with salt, and let it remain for a day, to disgorge the slime. The next day, rub it well with the above ingredients on every side, and let it remain in the pickle for about a fortnight, turning it every day. It may be boiled fresh from the pickle, or smoked.
    Note: the smaller the beef, the less time it takes to salt it. A joint of 8 or 9 lbs. will be sufficiently salty in a week.

    Corn Beef (Adamson's Grandmother in the Kitchen)
    To each gallon of cold water, put 1 quart of rock salt, 1 ounce saltpetre and 4 ounces of brown sugar (it need not be boiled). As long as any salt remains undisolved, the meat will be sweet. If any scum should rise, scald and skim well; add more salt, saltpetre and sugar; as you cut each piece of meat into the brine, rub it over with salt.

    Authentic Beef Pickle (Beeton's Book of Household Management, 1861)
    6 lbs. salt, 2 lbs. sugar, 3 oz saltpetre, 3 gallons water.
    Boil all the ingredients gently together. Remove from heat. When quite cold, pour it over the meat, every part of which must be covered with the brine. This may be used for pickling any kind of meat, and may be kept for some time. A ham should be kept in the pickle for a fortnight; a piece of beef weighing 14 lbs. for 12 or 15 days.

    Salt Beef or "Salt Horse" (Pequot Mess)
    Take a chuck roast of the desired size. Rub thoroughly with sugar first, then with saltpetre (obtainable from your local pharmacy) and then with salt. Let the meat sit for a day and drain off the accumulated juices. Prepare a brine of the following proportions; three handfuls of salt per one quart of water. Bring brine to boil until salt dissolves. Let cool and pour over meat. Soak meat in brine for, at least, two weeks turning meat over daily. Keep the meat in refrigerator unless you wish to re-enact dysentery also. Before using, soak meat in fresh water for about twelve hours and use as you would any beef. Expect it to be salty. A salt beef ration was usually boiled.


    B. Boiling Salted Meats
    Boiled Salt Beef
    Soak for several hours. Dump water and refill with fresh water. Bring to hard boil. ADD SALT BEEF. When meat becomes whitish/gray (should occur quickly), remove from direct heat and simmer. This Hard Boil Then Simmer method seals the juices in the beef and makes it tender. If the meat is hard boiled for too long, it becomes hard and inedible.
    If the meat is added with the cold water and brought to a boil, then you are making soup. All the flavors will be leached from the meat and into the water. Adding the meat to cold water and bringing it to a boil makes your meat as tough as shoe leather.

    Boiled Salt Pork
    Soak for several hours. Dump water and refill with fresh water. Add salt pork. Bring to a boil. After it has thoroughly cooked, remove the fat and enjoy the meat (what little there is of it.)

    C. Fried Salted Meats
    Salt Beef
    Soak for several hours. Cut into small strips. Fry in grease or butter if available. Great when added with fried potatoes.

    Salt Pork

    "The westward migration owes much to salt pork. For pioneers, it was considered a staple in every larder. [ ] Homesteaders prized it above hard money. [ ] Saltpork begins as the fatty parts from the back, side, or belly of a hog. [ ] Fattier than bacon, it was cured by the dry-salt method but not smoked. Western cooks used it a flavor and as a supplement to meat. [ ] Unlike meat, salt pork would keep awhile without spoiling. [ ] The flavor imparted to foods is unique to itself. At a time when spice racks were usually unavailable, salt pork served heroically with bland foods. [ ] [Soldiers] often carried salt pork. They fried it, sopping hardtack in the grease, thereby softening what was an otherwise jawbreaking form of bread. Cowhands in line camps generally dredged slices of salt port in flour and then fried it. The grease served as a substitute for butter. By modern taste standards, it sounds pretty dreadful. Old-timers were damn glad to get it. The alternative was to go hungry. Off in the wilderness, several days might pass before some form of game found its way into the cooking pot. Salt pork, bread, and coffee provided a welcome supper and sustenance for tomorrow's hardships." From Matt Braun, Western Cooking.

    Salt Pork Suggestion (Adamson's Grandmother in the Kitchen)
    Soak salt pork (cut into slices for broiling or frying) in a one to two quarts milk and water; soak it over night if it is for breakfast, and for several hours before any other meal. The milk maybe either fresh or sour, and it is diluted with an equal quantity of water. Before cooking the slices, rinse them in water until it is clear. It will be found a very excellent method, and when once adopted will invariably be the choice of preparation.

    Salt Pork and Sour Apples (Adamson's Grandmother in the Kitchen)
    This makes a very satisfying summer dinner when served with Boiled New Potatoes. Cut the slices of pork; lay them in cold water in the spider (a spider is a frying pan with legs on the bottom - ed.); boil them for 2 to 3 minutes; then pour off the water and set the spider again on the coals; now dredge the slices in cornmeal seasoned with pepper and brown them on both sides in the spider. In another spider, fry 1/2 inch slices of good tart cored but unpeeled apples in butter or drippings after dredging them in a little flour mixed with a pinch of cinnamon or ginger. Serve the pork and apples together.

    Floured Bacon (Matt Braun, Western Cooking)
    Use thick sliced bacon. Lightly flour each side of the bacon. At medium heat, fry strips until brown on side. Flip and brown on other side.
    This makes for exceptionally crispy bacon.

    Ham and Red-Eye Gravy (Matt Braun, Western Cooking)
    Fry ham in skillet. Remove ham but leave drippings. For each pound of ham, add 1/2 cup strong black coffee to pan drippings. Stir constantly and bring to boil. Serve over ham and biscuits.
    This works well for all types of pig fat. You will be surprised how good it tastes.

    Salt Beef and Spruce Beer:
    Provisions for the British Navy
    [from the Brigade Dispatch v26 No. 1]

    The Swedish navy regularly sent officers to train with
    other navies, and part of their duty was to submit an
    account of their experiences. Two such men,
    midshipmen Hans Frederick Wachtmeister and Frederick
    Herman von Walden, served as volunteer midshipmen on
    the H. M. S. Phoenix in America in 1776 and 1777.
    They not only kept a journal of events, but also included
    descriptive and insightful commentary about how and
    why things were done. Their writings were reprinted in
    The Swedish Pioneer Historical Quarterly, V.7 No. 3
    (July 1956).
    Of particular interest to us is the method used to
    produce salt beef and spruce beer, two major staples in
    the diets of sailors and soldiers alike. While spruce beer
    was often produced "in the field," by men sent on shore
    for the task, salted meat was purchased from contractors
    (casks were marked with the number of pieces inside;
    when a cask was opened, the pieces were counted, and
    a notation made in the ships log of how many pieces
    short or extra were in it; these records are preserved in
    the National Maritime Museum in Greenwich, England).
    It is not known whether the army used the same contrac-
    tors as the navy, or whether their salt beef was produced
    by the same method.

    "The best method to preserve meat is the following: After the
    meat has cooled, it is cut into 5lb. pieces which are then
    rubbed well with fine salt. The pieces are then placed
    between boards, a weight brought to bear on the upper board
    so as to squeeze out the blood. Afterwards the pieces are
    shaken to remove the surplus salt, packed rather tightly in a
    barrel, which when full is closed. A hole is then drilled into
    the upper end and brine allowed to fill the barrel to the top,
    the brine being made of 4 lbs. of salt, 2 lbs. of brown sugar
    and four gallons of water with a touch of saltpeter. When no
    more brine can enter, the hole is closed. This method of
    preserving meat not only assures that it keeps longer but also
    gives it a rather good taste. Joints and bones are boiled to
    make a soup and used with peas, lb. for each man and is
    to be recommended as an anti-scurvy diet. The same thing
    can be said for sauerkraut. The English seaman is also given,
    from time to time, an ale called porter. Captain Cook
    recommends in his latest travel book the use of wort, which
    he manufactured on board from malt. Sometimes he even
    made beer. The least expensive, however, and which is
    believed to be the most healthy, is spruce beer. It is made
    from the first shoots of the spruce, when they are about six
    inches long. They are kneaded and boiled into a liquid which
    is poured through a sieve while it is yet warm. When it has
    cooled, yeast is added and the same system is used as with
    other forms of beer. This drink is used in the most famous
    inns in London, tastes good, and is easily brewed on board.
    For the sake of convenience one can also take along the
    essence on board. English sailors are not given brandy when
    they receive beer."

    The method for salting beef has similar elements to
    those found in period cookbooks for "hung beef," hams
    and other preserved meats. Salt, sugar, "pump-water,"
    and a touch of saltpeter are common ingredients with
    which to soak or rub the raw meat, after it has cooled
    from slaughtering.
    It is important to notice the recommendations for
    cooking salted beef. The Compleat Housewife (Eliza
    Smith, London, 1758; reprinted London, 1994) gives
    "General Directions for Boiling" which mentions that

    All salt meat must be put in when the water is cold; but fresh
    meat, not till it boils; and as many pounds as your piece
    weighs, so many quarters of an hour it will require in boiling.

    The directions "To do the fine hanged Beef" read,

    "...when you use it, boil it in hay and pump-water, very
    tender: it will keep boiled two or three months, rubbing it with
    a greasy cloth, or putting it two or three minutes into boiling
    water to take off the mouldiness."

    Directions for boiling hams and other preserved meats
    also mention tying the meat in clean hay.

    Title: Spruce Beer Categories: Yield: 1 Servings 2 oz Hops 1/2 ga Water 8 ga Warm water 1 ga Molasses 4 oz Essence of spruce 1 pt Water 1/4 pt Yeast Molasses Put hops and water in a kettle and boil for 30 minutes. Strain; add 8 gallons warm water, molasses and spruce essence. Put in a clean cask, shake all well together and add yeast. Let stand and work for 6-7 days, or less if the weather is warm. When drawn off, add 1 teaspoon molasses to each bottle.


    "Side bacon" ("American Bacon"), is the type most often found already sliced and packaged in the grocery stores. Bacon is the cured and oten times smoked meat and fat from the lower sides and belly of the pig. To make bacon, machines now inject brine (salt solutions and nitrates) into the meat, then either smoke it or inject artificial smoke "flavoring." For sliced bacon, the rind is trimmed from slab bacon and the meat is sliced into 36 pieces per pound for thin-sliced styles, 16 to 20 for regular, and 12 to 16 for thick-sliced. Side bacon (without the rind) also comes precooked.

    "Slab bacon" is pork that is still attached to the rind. Side bacon (without the rind) also comes precooked and canned. I have seen it "whole" as well as sliced, and the local butcher shop/meat market hereabouts will set the "slicer" to cut slices as the customer wants.

    "Salt pork" is salt-cured, but not smoked, meat from the belly of a pig.

    There are not a whole lot, or much of any for that matter on "salt pork" in the 18th century that I know of. One of the best, albeit 19th century comes from an 1886 Grocer's Handbook:

    "Mess (ed. salt) Pork shall be packed from sides of well-fatted hogs, cut in strips not exceeding six and one half inches wide and flanked according to diagram as nearly as possible, and not back-stripped, 196 pounds of green [not cured] meat, numbering not over sixteen pieces, including only the regular portion of flank and shoulder cuts; four layers to be packed in each barrel, with not less than forty pounds of Turk’s Island, St. Utes, or Trepanné, or 45 pounds of other good qualities of foreign or domestic coarse salt, and clear brine as strong as the salt will make it.”

    “Clear Pork shall be packed from sides of extra heavy, well-fatted hogs, cut, selected and packed in the same manner as Mess Pork, the backbone and half the rib next to it be taken out.”

    “Extra Clear Pork. Same as clear, except that all the ribs and backbone shall be taken out.

    “Mess Ordinary, or Thin Mess. Of hogs reasonably well-fatted to light for Mess Pork, cut, selected, and packed in the same manner as Mess, no restrictions whatever as to the number of pieces to the barrel.”

    “Extra Prime Pork shall be made from heavy, untrimmed shoulders, cut into three pieces, according to the diagram, the leg to be cut close to the breast; to be packed 200 pounds of green meat in each barrel, with the same quantity and quality of salt as Mess Pork.”

    “Prime Mess Pork shall be made of shoulders and sides of nice, smooth and fat hogs, weighing 120 to 170 pounds each net, regularly cut into square pieces, as near 4 pounds each as possible, the shank to be cut off close to the breast; each barrel to contain 200 pounds of green meat, the proportion of 20 pieces of shoulder and 30 pieces of side cuts, and to be packed with the same quality and quantity of salt as Mess Pork. The prime pieces shall be cut free of blade bone. The shoulder pieces are not to exceed 90 pounds in each barrel. When re-salted, the brine shall be drawn off and new brine added.”

    From Miss Beecher’s Receipt Book, 1858:

    “Directions for Salting Down Pork. Cover the bottom of the barrel with salt an inch deep. Put down one layer of Pork, and cover that with salt, half an inch thick. Continue thus till the barrel is full. Then pour in as much strong pickle as the barrel will receive. Also see that the Pork does not rise above the brine. When a white scum, or bloody-looking material rises on top, scald the brine and add more salt.
    Leave out the bloody and lean pieces for sausages.
    Pack as tightly as possible, the rind next to the barrel; and let it be always kept under the brine. Some use a stone for this purpose. In salting down a new supply, take the old brine, boil it down and remove all the scum, and then use it to pour over the Pork.”

    If I understand the recipe, "Salt pork" then would have been soaked pale in brine/salt and "limp" compared to the modern salted version which is stiff or "firm."

    From my understanding of the period reference, since salt pork was brined it would have been pale in color and somewhat floppy rather than salted firm modern version of salt pork. I'm not sure that there is a adequate modern substitute.

    And as an aside...

    In the 1911 Food Companion, there is also "Fat Back" which is defined as:

    “Often confused with salt pork (which comes from the sides and belly of a pig) fat back is the fresh layer (not salted or smoked) of fat that runs along the animal’s back. It is used to make lard and cracklings and used for cooking.”

    and, Salt Pork is:

    “So named because it is salt-cured, this is a layer of fat (usually with some streaks of lean) that is cut from the pig’s belly and sides. Salt pork is often confused with fat back, which is unsalted.... It’s [salt pork] similar to bacon but much fatter and unsmoked.”

    Please be careful at the grocery store, there are some brands of slab and sliced bacon that is not salt or smoked cured, but is just "regular" bacon to which salt and artifical smoke flavouirng has been added. Since it is not salt or smoked cured, it is NOT cured meat, and will spoil and poison one in short order.

    Curt
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    • #17
      Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

      Originally posted by Becky Morgan View Post
      That's how my neighbor does hers. She cans all sorts of meat, but she does have a pickle recipe.
      So are you saying it's a period method to pickle meat in vinegar? Or just that it can be done, but may be more typical of a later period? I'd be curious if "pickle" was really synonymous with "salt" in the period, referring to meat placed in a brine for an extended period, or if "pickle" generally did imply the use of vinegar or something different.

      It's still surprising to me that only the Trans-Mississippi folks mentioned any great amount of jerky.
      I've wondered about that also. The eastern equivalent seemed to be dried beef, soaked in brine in a chunk and smoked, rather than cut in thin strips.

      I wonder... did it have to do with humidity--easier to dry jerky in the west than on a rainy fall day in the east?

      Or with leanness--easier to make jerky with beef from a lean range-fed longhorn, than a grain-fattened shorthorn? It seems that hunters in the east were the last hold-out for jerky, and they'd be dealing with lean animals, of course.

      Or with temperature--need a more certain way of preserving beef in a hot climate, and pork wasn't an option, since it's easier to keep cattle on a prairie than hogs who need more than grass?

      I'd love to find a period discussion in their own words: "people make more jerked beef in the west because..."

      Since Mom and Dad used to smoke and salt their own beek and pork, I have to assume this was way more drying and smoking than they'd ever dealt with.
      I wonder if it's an example of the salt beef/horse dilemma from the 1862 USDA, where home-made meat could be preserved for optimum flavor, while meat that needed shipped had to sacrifice flavor. Would your parents' smoked and salted beef and pork have kept year-round at room temperature?

      I'll have to say that I've not run into any meat that a couple changes of water and a few hours' boiling didn't make palatable, including some several-months-old bacon kept at room temperature over the summer. But apparently I have a higher tolerance for salt flavor than my wife, who notices it much more.

      Hank Trent
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      • #18
        Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

        Thanks for all the great information, can't wait to try some of them. :)




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        • #19
          Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

          I've looked through numerous period cookbooks and found nothing about adding vinegar to salt or pickled beef. the word pickle was used extensively in the recipes with no mention of vinegar.

          "Pickle" can be confusing to the modern mind since when we see it we immediately think of a crisp, sharp or sweet tasting vegetable like a cucumber pickle. The word "pickle," according to Webster's Dictionary (1861) meant, "Brine, a solution of salt and water or of vinegar, sometimes impregnated with spices in which flesh, fish, or other substances are preserved; as, pickle for beef; pickle for capers or cucumbers; pickle for herring. 2. Vegetables or fruits preserved in a pickle. " "Pickled - Preserved in brine or a pickle."

          Vegetables could be preserved using a salt or vinegar pickle. Cabbage and green beans were two that were preserved in brine. Most of the period cucumber pickle recipes used both a brine and vinegar in the recipe. The cucumbers were brined first in several different brine waters, rinsed, and and then after putting the cucumbers in the jar, hot vinegar with spices were poured over the them. Other vegetables were preserved in a similar manner.

          I know that I add vinegar to my beef when I make sauerbraten but I could not find a recipe for the dish in any English or American cookbook. I did find one reference in the book, Mill in the Valley by Beatrice Batty (1859) which described the dish as "a dish of cold
          sauerbraten, that is, meat that had been steeped in vinegar and roasted."

          There is another meat that used vinegar. I grew up eating souse (headcheese) which is the scraps of meat, from the pig's head, feet, and other odd parts, that had been cooked, chopped into small pieces and chilled in the natural gelatin. After chilling, it was always put in a jar and filled with vinegar. It wasn't to preserve the souse but the vinegar just added a nice sharp flavor that worked well with the other seasonings in the souse. I still like it but can't find it anywhere except at Amish markets.

          As for the ham that Becky mentioned that is real, "to die for" (and too much can kill you :() country ham. A little goes a long way and it does take a long time to soak and then cook but in the end it is worth it. That was another staple of my childhood diet but now I have to settle for getting small packages now and then to use for flavoring.
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          • #20
            Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

            Hallo!

            I have tried some varieties of "country ham" to find it salted black sole leather that needed soaked to leech the salt out, and boiled to be able to cut or bite it.
            ;) :)

            Curt
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            • #21
              Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

              Originally posted by Hank Trent View Post
              So are you saying it's a period method to pickle meat in vinegar? Or just that it can be done, but may be more typical of a later period?
              Hank Trent
              hanktrent@voyager.net
              I THINK it's the latter, but it may take an inspection of her cookbooks to see what she has and, if the books are relatively new, where they got the recipes. . I didn't get to go see "American Foodways" when it was at Oglkebay, or their recipe and menu collection might have given me a hint. This calls for some diogging through my old Ohio ag annuals and the like to see when vinegar became an ingredient. As I mentioned, it does help protect against botulism, since the C. botulinum spores can't break dormancy and produce toxin in an acid enough environment. Tomatoes used to be one of the "very safe for novice home canners" foods, but some modern varieties don't have enough natural acid to be protective.

              The humidity here in the upper Ohio Valley can be brutal in summer, or can be almost absent. It all depends on that year's weather. Local natives did use pemmican, which was mostly deer by the time of significant white contact; we still had free-roaming Eastern bison, but they weren't plentiful. Northern plains bison are ideal for pemmican, since they're very lean. The Lakota seem to have made their pemmican with chokecherries. (The new version, the Tanka Bar, uses cranberries.)

              Yes, Mom and Dad did keep their salted/smoked meat cool, but not actually refrigerated, in the late 1930s. Electricity didn't get here until 1947. They lived in a small house high on the hill at first, then moved down to the house across the road--matter of fact, that's where the neighbor with the old recipes still lives--and both houses had spring-cooled storehouses. That's good for about 55 degrees in our area. On either side of us are the ruins of very old homes built before the Civil War, and both of them had spring-cooled stone caves dug into the hillside. If Mel puts the roof back on the one up the road this summer, I'll ask if we can take temperature readings.
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              • #22
                Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                Originally posted by Hank Trent View Post
                Would your parents' smoked and salted beef and pork have kept year-round at room temperature?
                Hank,

                Bacon hung year 'round in the pantry, and temperatures ranged from the lower 30s to lower 90s in there depending on the season. When I would keep slabs of bacon (the real stuff, not the chem-bacon) here in the underground garage, the oldest meat was three years old, and there were no complaints at issue time. Temperatures range from the upper 40s to low 70s most of the time. Ham stores well in there, too.

                I've often wondered why corned Spot started turning in May or early June each year, as to whether it was time or heat. As a wonderful breakfast food, it had a good 8 to 10 month lifespan, and the absence of 2 months was generally covered by the smoked, salt, Herring. This could spawn the "seasonal foods" cyclical discussion. Pun intended.

                Sometimes it is a strange task to sort out the overarching body of lore of the Great Depression from mid-19th century actual practice. Not that we haven't had this discussion before. ;)
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                • #23
                  Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                  Can anybody explain this? It's from a reminiscence written after the war by James M. Hughes, Co. H, 117th OVI, a regiment raised from right where we live now. He apparently gave it as a talk at a reunion.

                  It was here where we got our first introduction to the army "hard tack" and army corned beef. It is rather amusing now to recall how suspicious some of us were of the corned beef. The papers about this time had been scorning some army Contractors for having palmed off horse meat for beef on the government, and as many of us had never before seen corned beef and noticing its very dark color, concluded at once that it was the much talked of horse meat.
                  Huh? This is a farming area where beef was raised. What's he talking about? What else would farmers have been doing with the bulk of their beef, other than corning it?

                  My guess is that it was the unfamiliar color due to lack of saltpetre in cheap army beef, and he just meant they'd never seen corned beef like that, but I dunno. He says flat out they'd never seen it before at all.

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                  • #24
                    Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                    Curt, some of those notes from Beeton's through the red-eye gravy look mighty familiar.

                    I made red-eye gravy last year when I was surviving on Vicksburg rations for a weekend. Red-eye gravy and rice was my breakfast/lunch for two days. Dinner and between meal snacks was pea cakes with a few nibbles of bacon for flavor.
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                    • #25
                      Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                      Originally posted by Hank Trent View Post
                      What's he talking about? What else would farmers have been doing with the bulk of their beef, other than corning it?
                      Hank,

                      Does the ag census give any indication as to whether those beeves were working steers, dairy cattle, or for meat? Secondly, is there a way to tell if the beef production was chiefly for home consumption or direct sales? Conventional wisdom holds that beef consumption really didn't take off until after the CW, but what does that really mean for local consumption.

                      I'd been wondering about the availability of salt, since I knew some places in Ohio had natural salt licks, and there certainly was significant extraction by the mid-19th century. It wasn't all Asa Danforth and Comfort Tyler. The regional Ag Econ site mentioned the following:

                      Consequently, when Ohio became a state in 1803, the U.S. government kept part of Jackson County’s territory in reserve for the production of salt. The first salt well opened in Pomeroy in 1850 and by the Civil War, Ohio ranked second in the nation for salt production.
                      Truly a Clara Peller moment.
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                      • #26
                        Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                        Originally posted by Charles Heath View Post
                        Does the ag census give any indication as to whether those beeves were working steers, dairy cattle, or for meat? Secondly, is there a way to tell if the beef production was chiefly for home consumption or direct sales?
                        According to Jones' History of Agriculture in Ohio, in the 1848 Ohio Ag Report, our area was described as "the great theatre for gathering cattle, to be taken to the valley of the Scioto" to be fattened. So we were grazing beef cattle here for fattening elsewhere, and that makes sense, since this area has poor hilly land, good for grazing but not as good for corn as elsewhere in the state. Most of the dairies were in the northern part of the state. Naturally, there was some dairying, some fattening, etc. here, but that's the general commercial trend.

                        The 1863 Ohio Ag Report census breaks the state into several divisions, putting our county (Gallia) in the Hocking Valley, and the statistics indicate it hadn't changed much. While some areas had almost twice as many swine as cattle, we had about the same amount, but we didn't make much butter, and our cattle were worth less per head than the cattle in Scioto County.

                        So although we weren't typically finishing cattle here, it would seem logical that families who wanted beef for their own consumption could keep some to slaughter themselves.

                        Hank Trent
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                        • #27
                          Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                          Originally posted by Hank Trent View Post
                          So although we weren't typically finishing cattle here, it would seem logical that families who wanted beef for their own consumption could keep some to slaughter themselves.
                          Hank,

                          All jokes about New Englanders and oxen aside, the mystery remains as to how these Ohioans would preserve the beef, if not by salting? Obviously, locally produced salt is plentiful, and relatively cheap since transportation costs are low, and some bovines are being slaughtered. Like that rock ribbed ox, an old milch cow isn't precisely a taste tempting treat, but it is a chew that lasts all day. Certainly they weren't making an enormous amount of dry sausage?

                          As an aside, is there any indication as to how much of this beef is heading to that booming little oil town known as Cleveland?
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                          • #28
                            Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                            Originally posted by Charles Heath View Post
                            As an aside, is there any indication as to how much of this beef is heading to that booming little oil town known as Cleveland?
                            Yes, according to Jones again, around 1850 they were going to Cincinnati and Pittsburgh primarily, but also Columbus and Cleveland. The rest went to eastern markets, since cattle from further west were already serving the western market.

                            "The Cleveland production of salted beef in 1849 was 20,000 tierces of 304 pounds each, which came from the slaughter of 12,000 head of cattle. But the fact that Ohio salted beef was unpalatable to British consumers hindered expansion of the industry."

                            He has that footnoted to the Ohio Cultivator magazine, but the American Agriculturist, Nov. 15, 1843, at http://books.google.com/books?id=XChKAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA289 explains that the new interest in packing beef and pork for the foreign market was due to a modification in the British tariff
                            ...which now admits our provisions at a more moderate duty than formerly, and enables the packers at the west to put up Beef, Pork, and Lard, to a large extent, in those districts where heretofore they were obliged to drive their animals at a very considerable expense, (not unfrequently a ruinous one,) a great distance to a market on the seaboard. By packing near where animals are bred, they can be grown to a larger size, and be made of a better quality; the provisions, also, can be delivered on board ship for exportation, either dried or pickled, at a cheaper rate than when the graziers are obliged to drive their beasts long distance to a market.
                            The author says towns on the Ohio and Mississippi river have gone into packing.
                            ...those on the lakes also seem to be following rapidly in their wake; more especially in the article of Beef, of which we notice large quantities are now putting up, particularly at Cleveland and Chicago, expressly for the English market.
                            Hank Trent
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                            • #29
                              Re: Salt/Pickled Beef

                              Did we lose the lengthy discussion a few years ago regarding methods of salt curing meat?

                              We beat it to death and it was a very good discussion.

                              Jerry Gouge
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                              • #30
                                Cartridge Box Beef

                                I made up a bunch of salt beef (brisket) for the 2005 Shiloh living history. It gave rise to the story of cartridge box beef coined by Charles Heath. The chief cook chose to cook the beef to such an extent that it was of the consistency of leather. Alas...

                                I believe it was back in 2005 that we had the lengthy discussion of salt beef and period recipes.

                                Jerry Gouge
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