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  • The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

    The Federal Frock Workshop that Chris Daley is offering has stirred my curiousity.

    My fiancee returned from the Citizen's Conference in Harrisburg Sunday evening and regailed me with stories and photos of all she saw there. She has been attending five years now, and she has always raved about it, but this time she brought back all the printed notes and samples from the classes (purchased at extra cost but well worth the price) and about 200 photos of the attendees, all in period Civil War civilian dress, and all the displays of clothing, bonnets, hats, shoes, accessories. The conference speakers presented topics varying from clothing to railroad travel to botany collecting -- and all quite fascinating and worthy of knowing, and which all CW military reenactors, in my opinion, SHOULD know, as we portray men who were once civilians before they became soldiers.

    And, on Friday, there were intense classes on clothing construction given by Jim Ruley, who is an incredibly good and prolific tailor. Check out his work under the topic "Men's Clothing" on this website: http://thesewingacademy.org/

    To get to my point -- It would seem to me that such a conference, designed for the Civil War SOLDIER, not the civilian, would be an incredible draw. Imagine -- in one place, for three or four days on a weekend, there would be workshops on uniform construction, mess preparation, weapons maintenance, camp gear, uniform authenticity, CW history, civilain history, popular games and passtimes, and, no doubt, immense collections on display. I wont go into great detail about the variety of topics -- imagine them for yourselves -- but just imagine getting people of the likes of Chris Daley, Dan Waumbauch, Ed Bearrs, Nicky Hughes, and other repected authorities in their disciplines, many of whom visit this board frequently, all together for the weekend, with class after class after class of everythng you wanted to know, plus authentic sutlers galore (would you allow any other kind?) and the chance for comraderie . . . well, I'd go, needless to say.

    The cost of conferences that I have seen advertised in the Citizen's Companion ranges from $125 - $150 or so, exclusive of hotels and SOME meals (many are provided). Not unresonable for what you take away, I'd say.

    Has anyone ever seen such an event? And would we be willing to organize one?

    Opinions appreciated.
    Lynn Kessler
    Co. C
    Chesapeake Volunteer Guards
    The Southern Division

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    Re: The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

    Lynn,

    I definitely think that is a great idea and I would definitely attend a conference like that if I could. I think until an event like that is organized, there are a couple other options in the meantime, such as:

    -Join the Company of Military Historians and attend one of their annual meetings...
    -Go to some of the better gun shows, i.e. Baltimore, Richmond, Nashville, Mansfield, etc...
    -The obvious one... visit museums.

    Although the above activities might not help with 'how-to' part, they do offer presentations from the experts, artifact displays, and of course plenty of regimental/unit/soldier history.
    Bill Lomas

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      Re: The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

      Great idea and it was discussed briefly in this thread:



      However, I didn't see much come of it.
      [COLOR="DarkRed"] [B][SIZE=2][FONT=Book Antiqua]Christopher J. Daley[/FONT][/SIZE][/B][/COLOR]

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        Re: The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

        Originally posted by CJDaley View Post
        Great idea and it was discussed briefly in this thread:



        However, I didn't see much come of it.
        And THAT has surpised me greatly.

        Given this board's emphasis upon authenticity, I'm curious about the lack of response. I myself LOVE an opportunity to learn more than I already know (which isn't a lot), academic setting or otherwise, and I would have thought that others here would share the same sentiment.

        Such education benefits not only ourselves, but the hobby as a whole, by exposing the masses to a higher and more intense level of accuracy. So why the silence?
        Lynn Kessler
        Co. C
        Chesapeake Volunteer Guards
        The Southern Division

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          Re: The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

          Originally posted by toccoa42 View Post

          So why the silence?
          How many members of this forum do you think own original uniforms/uniform articles (US/CS)?

          Those members that do own original items, are probably limited mainly to firearms and a few accoutrements...

          I think it's a noble idea, and an event I would be sure to attend; but the hard part would be finding individuals with collections who were willing to participate in said conference.

          Paul B.
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            Re: The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

            Originally posted by Stonewall_Greyfox View Post
            How many members of this forum do you think own original uniforms/uniform articles (US/CS)?
            Displaying collections are only ONE aspect of the conference, not the whole show.

            At the Civilian Conference, on the first day, original clothing articles are placed on display, flat on tables, so that they may be inspected (carefully!) with clean hands and/or white gloves to understand construction. The second day, they are placed on manequins with full accoutrements to show how entire ensembles fit together.

            And, that said, again, displaying collections are only ONE aspect. Then began the presentations on all the historical aspects of the period -- CDVs, botany, memorial jewelry (Victorian cult of death), railroad development, religion, and so on.

            No matter how many (or how few) articles there are in someone's collection, the collections are NOT the heart of the conference. Overall education in as many aspects as can be covered regarding the period is the whole point of the undertaking.
            Lynn Kessler
            Co. C
            Chesapeake Volunteer Guards
            The Southern Division

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              Re: The Frock Workshop -- Going Several Steps Farther Along . . .

              Sounds like a great idea. If it is within an 8 hour dive of St Louis, I would attend.

              This type of workshop, or one like Mr. Daley was so generously offering on the Frock Coat sewing seminar. I'd just need a couple months warning to get the time off and to budget the fee. I'd love to learn under an aknowledged expert in the field.
              Ron Mueller
              Illinois
              New Madrid Guards

              "How many legs does a dog have if you call the tail a leg?
              Four. Calling a tail a leg doesn't make it a leg."
              Abraham Lincoln

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