Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

    Folks, I am thrilled to have the opportunity to be able to make public this new photograph of a mounted Confederate! The first I have seen in several years.
    This photograph comes through the courtesy and generosity of John Walsh of Ft. Donelson Relics. John picked this beauty up at the recent C.W. show im Marietta Ga. Apparently, it walked in the door having come from an old collection. The story goes that the owner rec’d it second or third hand back many years ago. Sadly, without any identification. John participates on this forum so perhaps he can shed more light on its story.
    John was kind enough to allow me to examine it. I humbly submit the following observations for discussion:
    1. SADDLE: He is most certainly riding a "Half Spanish" saddle with black quilted leather seat and skirt (or at least a roll on the skirt). These saddles were built on the English tree (Thus called half Spanish the other half being English) with a tapered horn similar but not identical to the (Full) Spanish saddle. I enclose a photo of similar period saddle as the type pattern he is riding. Stirrups are common period civilian iron stirrups with a "French" style strap slot. Stirrup straps utilize a common roller buckle. Girth appears to be cotton web with a woven stripe (or stripes) common to these saddles.
    2. SADDLE BLANKET: The above saddles were heavily padded underneath (I can see the padding on the bars) so typically did not require a saddle blanket. Nevertheless, our fella appears to be employing a dark color wool saddle blanket.
    3. BRIDLE: Typical "civilian" bridle of the English pattern. Includes a simple bridle with snaffle bit, wide headstall, rolled leather brow band and wide leather reins. The "single" reins (not split) are leather, quite wide likely one and 1/4 or one and ˝ inches. On top of the left side of the horses head and attached to the bridle headstall is some kind of unclear flag, steamer or plume. I do not know what that is. Any ideas?
    4. CARBINE SLING: It appears to me that our guy is a cavalryman or artillery "cadre" armed with a carbine (slung to his right side) and thus a carbine sling of likely brown leather about two inches wide. I note the billet keeper a the top of his shoulder. A shame we cannot see the type hardware used with it!
    I am not a very good uniform or weapons guy so of course, leave that to others. Discussion?
    In my “opinion"....our trooper is either a cavalryman or an artilleryman "cadre" (or mounted artillery) but most likely a cavalry trooper given his carbine sling. This image is "probably" early war given his civilian saddlery equipments but this is not necessarily true.

    This is a wonderfully clear image and a very rare photograph of a mounted Confederate. I know of only eighteen of these that are “public” (although more, no doubt, exist out there) so this is truly a unique event to make it public here on the AC cavalry forum. What do ya’ll think?

    Many thanks to John Walsh for his kindness!

    Ken R Knopp
    Attached Files

  • #2
    Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

    WOW is an understantement. Thanks Ken for another great find.
    Aka
    Wm Green :D
    Illegitimi non carborundum
    (Don’t let the bastards grind you down!)

    Dreaming of the following and other events

    Picket Post
    Perryville

    The like to do a winter camp.....hint hint...

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

      Awesome! Thank you for sharing this image!! It looks like he is carrying a U.S. model artillery saber to boot. It is unfortunate that we don't have an I.D. to direct the unit or theatre in which he served. I hope the cavalry boy will appreciate it as much as the ole' footsoldiers!

      Thanks again,
      Christopher E. McBroom, Capt.
      16th Ark. Infantry - 1st Arkansas Battalion, C.S.A.

      Little Rock Castle No. 1
      Order of Knights of the Golden Circle

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

        Is it me, or is that an English Adams Revolver shoved in his belt??
        Robert W. Hughes
        Co A, 2nd Georgia Sharpshooters/64th Illinois Inf.
        Thrasher Mess
        Operation Iraqi Freedom II 2004-2005
        ENG Brigade, 1st Cavalry Div. "1st Team!"
        Iraq & Afghanistan Veterans of America

        Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, "Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?"
        And I said "Here I am. Send me!" Isaiah 6:8

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

          Christopher E. McBroom
          Awesome! Thank you for sharing this image!! It looks like he is carrying a U.S. model artillery saber to boot.
          Hi,

          I agree, he is carrying a U.S. artillery saber.


          Robert W. Hughes
          Is it me, or is that an English Adams Revolver shoved in his belt??
          Yes, from what I can see it looks just like the English Adams Revolver. He also is wearing one wild looking forage cap.It is all around a very cool image. That has lots of details of the jacket, weapons, and equipment. Thanks for posting it.
          Last edited by Andrew Kasmar; 08-23-2008, 07:35 AM.
          Andrew Kasmar

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

            He's wearing brogans, which I think is the most interesting thing in this photo. I have believed that many did, and this may reinforce this idea.

            Joe Walker

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

              Ken, I'm not sure of the rarity of a CS Jennifer saddle, but I enclosed a picture of what is labeled as one from the Springfield (IL) G.A.R. Memorial Museum. Whatever it is, or isn't, it is believed to be a CS saddle, and I am sure if you wanted to examine it closer, they would be more than willing to let you.

              Outstanding little museum FYI; Richmond Sharps, 4-5 hankerchefs, 5-6 housewives, knitted scarf, patriotic apron, images, etc. A very comprehensive collection of G.A.R. items as well.
              Attached Files
              Mark Krausz
              William L. Campbell
              Prodigal Sons Mess of Co. B 36th IL Inf.
              Old Northwest Volunteers
              Agents Campbell and Pelican's Military Goods

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                Thanks Mark,

                Sorry to report that saddle is not a Jenifer. In my opinion, it is a McClellan/Grimsely hybrid incorporating portions of both saddle trees. The cantle and bars are McClellan-like while the pommel is Grimsely. The dressing of the tree is very Grimsely with the brass edging, quilted seat, long skirts, brass hardware, brass stirrups and leather covered bar jockeys.
                This is a well made saddle and in nice condition. Likely an officer's saddle and very much like the Grimsely/Mac of Gen. R. E. Lee at the MOC.
                Is there any documentation such as who donated it?

                Thank you for taking the time to post the photo!

                Ken R Knopp

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                  Ken if you open the larger image you should be able to see the card in front of the saddle which describes the provenance of it.

                  Thanks for sharing the new CS image. It is a good one.
                  Troy Groves "AZReenactor"
                  1st California Infantry Volunteers, Co. C

                  So, you think that scrap in the East is rough, do you?
                  Ever consider what it means to be captured by Apaches?

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                    Originally posted by BobbyHughes View Post
                    Is it me, or is that an English Adams Revolver shoved in his belt??

                    You are correct, Fortunately Tim Prince of College Hill Arsenal was present when I obtainted the image and I'd the pistol as either an Adams or Tranter due to the signature hump on top of the grip.

                    He is carrying an artillery saber as well.

                    Les Jensen has seen the image and suggests that the coat is not a Richmond Type but possibly a commutation or local type due to the construction.

                    The image is a 6th Plate Ruby Ambrotype, which are known for their clarity, and fortunately is the case with this one. The subject is not really close up in the image, however, the clarity is such, that you can literally see the weave in the material of his uniform.

                    Thanks to Ken for his feedback,

                    Regards,

                    John Walsh
                    John Walsh


                    "Is a gentleman with a brostache invited to this party?''

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                      Fantastic photo!

                      That Kepi seems odd though. It appears to have a smaller disk than usual, and the lacquered brim seems to be shaped much like a Federal forage cap. It also appears to be made of a darker material than the uniform (perhaps it's new and simply hasn't faded as much). And I'm wondering what he has attached to the right side of the cap.

                      On the jacket, is that a seam running from the left armpit part way down the front left side, or perhaps a repaired rip?

                      Also, even though the left foot looks like he is wearing brogans, I'm not so sure he is -- especially when looking at his right foot close up.
                      Dave Gink
                      2nd US Cavalry
                      West Bend, WI

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                        Neat image.

                        The cap is neat too. It looks to me like its a forage cap (unformed, tall, floppy), with a small kepi top (an innie), the visor looks like what we call a McDowell style.

                        I believe that there are so many hybrid types of caps used by the South, remember that military soft caps aren't even on anyone's radar in the 1850s south, then come 1861 and everyone is trying to make them to equip the local company. All sorts of variations emerge. Things that no one would dare wear in re-enacting because they don't "look cool" or "stereotypical."

                        Greg Starbuck

                        PS Ken- did you ever find a mounted CS image in the Alabama Dept. of Archives & History? I remember seeing a hard image as such there around 1985.
                        The brave respect the brave. The brave
                        Respect the dead; but you -- you draw
                        That ancient blade, the ass's jaw,
                        And shake it o'er a hero's grave.


                        Herman Melville

                        http://www.historicsandusky.org

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                          Hi,

                          It is a cool looking cap; it has to be (at least for me) the most interesting thing in the photo. As for the jacket, I am guessing Richmond Depot II, any thoughts?
                          Andrew Kasmar

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                            There is an early-War photograph in my "Images of War" series depicting the Charleston Zouave Cadets wearing the same type of kepi. Perhaps it's a style that was common amongst South Carolina militia....
                            Tom "Mingo" Machingo
                            Independent Rifles, Weevil's Mess

                            Vixi Et Didici

                            "I think and highly hope that this war will end this year, and Oh then what a happy time we will have. No need of writing then but we can talk and talk again, and my boy can talk to me and I will never tire of listening to him and he will want to go with me everywhere I go, and I will be certain to let him go if there is any possible chance."
                            Marion Hill Fitzpatrick
                            Company K, 45th Georgia Infantry
                            KIA Petersburg, Virginia

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: WOW! New CS mounted image surfaces!

                              Great find, Ken, thanks for sharing. Regarding foot wear, I'm looking at a laptop screen, so not too large, but I see no evidence of laces on his right "shoe/boot". We see it at a near-level profile and in my small image it doesn't show toungue or laces. And on his left, our right, it almost seems as tho there is the slightest hint of the top of a boot on the outside of his pants leg about mid-calf.
                              IMHO
                              Just a private soldier trying to make a difference

                              Patrick Peterson
                              Old wore out Bugler

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X