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    In my continuing effort to indulge (satisfy) my fascination (some say fetish) with 19th century equestrian “lorinery” (ala’ buckles, bits, stirrups, spurs, curry combs, etc) I recently came across some interesting early British (and other ) curry combs and relative information that I thought I might share with the A/C horseman. Let me begin by pointing out (for the equestrian challenged) that the curry comb was not originally meant to be used directly on the horse. Its rightful purpose is to clean the horse brush while grooming the horse. However, it may occasionally be used by an experienced horseman to remove caked mud and dried manure from the horse’s hide. Anyway, these combs are very old, rare, are incredibly well made yet have interesting origins.

    #1: An early “Carpenter & Co.” comb # 1286 (patent #?) Made by the English firm of (James) Carpenter & Co. of Willenhall England sometime prior to 1844. A hefty, well made comb it has the firm name and #1286 on the heart shaped plate as well as another maker’s name plate on the handle. This comb was a forerunner to many American made combs of the 19th century. At the time, combs such as this were not cheaply made by the Brits for the masses but rather for the wealthy class hence the attractive, fancy handles.
    James Carpenter was an iconic figure in 19th century Willenhall England patenting several door locks and other items including curry combs in the burgeoning industrial city. He established a large manufactory there. Willenhall and nearby Wallsall were the world’s manufacturing center for leather and lorinery (hardware- bits, spurs, stirrups, etc.) horse equipment from the late 1700's until just after WWI. Today, there is still a lot of horse equipment made there but also a lot of high end leather goods. James died in 1844. The firm continued with his son John and son in law James Tildensly and later James’ son (also James) until 1907.

    #2. Another very well made early Carpenter & Co. comb this is the “no 333" comb. It also has its maker’s name and the “333" on the center and handle plates. The “333" was a common and well known comb in the mid 19th century. It has the distinction of being widely copied by American makers prior to and after the Civil War including being used as a model for some Federal government made combs during the war.

    #3: Hotchkiss Curry comb patented July 8, 1856. A simple, light weight comb made for commercial consumption this comb was made by the A.A. & A Hotchkiss Co. of Sharon Valley, Conn. American makers of the period tended to make inexpensive combs for consumption by the growing masses and not necessarily the wealthy. Hotchkiss patented two curry combs in the 1840's and 50's and his firm supplied a large number to the Union forces during the war. Andrew Hotchkiss is one of the more interesting manufacturing success stories of the early 19th century. He is better known among Civil War folks for his invention of the rifled cannon projectile “Hotchkiss shell”.

    #4: Another very common war time curry comb. This is comb is known as the “Mary Veal” comb and marked as “Mary Veal Patent New York”. I am not yet sure what firm made this but the story goes that the comb was named for the daughter of the inventor. Notice its similarities in construction to the Carpenter Co. comb. Quite a number of American manufacturers of the period copied this basic pattern including A A Hotchkiss. Some can be found with brass discs with names such “Uncle Sam”.

    #5: The Sara Jane Wheeler Curry Comb. This was invented and patented (Jan 22, 1861) by the first woman to earn a patent in Connecticut- Ms. Sara Jane Wheeler of New Britain, Conn. the comb was a common issue comb to Federal forces in the eastern US. Many are dug there. It was simply constructed, utilitarian and was cheap- perfect for mass production, This was retrieved along with other similar combs from the wreck of the barge the “General Mead” at James River site of the 1864 Confederate sabotage explosion at City Point Va.
    By the way, New Britain was home to the well known horse equipment maker, North & Judd. Established in 1876 this firm made a lot of equestrian equipment including curry combs. North & Judd were a result of a merger with the firm of O.B. North, a large Connecticut war time maker of Federal horse equipment such as bridle bits, picket pins, saddlery hardware and carbine sling swivels. North & Judd used the “anchor” as their maker’s mark- a well known symbol to today’s collectors. Interestingly, in 1926 North & Judd bought out the New Jersey firm of August Buermann Mfg. Co. Established in 1842, Buermann was itself a maker of horse equipment for the Federal. government during the war. Rather interesting how it all is intertwined.

    #6: Another common civilian comb “adopted” by the Federal government during the war. This basic “Pad Comb” pattern was patented in America in 1844 but very similar ones have also been found in England during the same period.

    #7: The more common or, at least well known Federal issue curry comb is the “Y” comb. It was made by several firms during the war (and I believe at the Allegheny Arsenal) in either six or eight rows of teeth bars. This basic pattern (with many variations) continued to be made well into the 20th century however, period patterns (while not often following exactly the ordnance specifications) were simple and tended to have narrow, tapered wood handles as opposed to today’s poorly constructed, commonly seen thick, “red” handled ones. Another common curry comb seen today is the spring-like comb with multiple round circles of teeth. This pattern is over a century old but not patented until 1889 and thus not Civil War period.

    Sorry to ramble on here......I am working on an article on this subject. My wife says, “only you and 3 other people on the whole planet are interested in this kind of archaic, weird minutia”, but I find it fascinating so thought I would share it.

    PS: Are any of you other three out there?

    Ken R Knopp
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    Last edited by Ken Knopp; 03-08-2009, 12:50 AM.

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    Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

    one of the earliest known grooming tools of the southern horseman was free and normally plentiful the lowly corn cob just rub it over the horse and you will be surprised how well it works when this is all you have to use i learned this from old folks not far removed from the war i can not verify war time use but they did feed ear corn if available some food for thought ronnie tucker 7th tn cav
    Ronnie Tucker,
    Chief of Scouts
    7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D
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    • #3
      Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

      Originally posted by Ken Knopp View Post

      PS: Are any of you other three out there?
      Oh yes! And I'm consuming that "weird minutia” of yours like a hungry man at a feast! Absolutely fascinating information there Ken, and partcularly interesting, (for me ), are the combs by Carpenter & Co. I've no doubt that you yourself will of course be familiar with 'The Worshipful Company of Loriners' , but for those that may not be, the following link may be interesting.

      http://www.loriner.co.uk/history1.html

      Kind regards,
      Jim Smith, Volunteer Co., (UK)

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      • #4
        Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

        Ken ,
        I guess I've rounded out "The Other Three". I've been told the same by my wife.:D
        Great post and pixs, when and where will the article be published ?

        Chris Stewart
        Walton's Battery
        7th Tenn Cav Co D

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        • #5
          Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

          Jim,
          Although not of "our" (the states) Civil War period. Here's another interesting comb that you will appreciate. This comb was made by the firm of W.H. Tildesley also of Willinghall England and so marked. There does not appear to be any relation or connection to the firm of Carpenter and Tildesly noted in my previous post. Also, the firm was not founded until 1874 by William Horace Tildesley. Which makes this comb post war.
          Anyway, it is interesting. Very, very well constructed and quite heavy. Could double as a hammer! I thought to include it if only for reference.
          I have a couple of other Federal issue and even a Confederate issue comb or two that I will post as soon as I can get them photographed.

          Glad to know there are more of us "lorinery wierdos" out there! Thank you all for your interest!!

          Ken R knopp
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          • #6
            Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

            Ken,

            The photo you posted of that W.H. Tildesley curry comb elicited an audible WOW from me when I first laid eyes on it, (I guess I must be even weirder than I realised!) That is indeed a thing of beauty.., WOW!
            Jim Smith, Volunteer Co., (UK)

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            • #7
              Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

              Hello. My first post to the site. Came across the article googling with the references to the Carpenter and Company currycomb. Thankyou for displaying the photos, as they are most historic. I am a locksmith and researcher in Canberra Australia. Around 1988, I started to research Carpenter and Co/Carpenter and Tildesley. You may be interested to learn as well as currycombs, Carpenter and Co/Carpenter and Tildesley made many rim locks for doors. Early on, these were exported along with the currycombs to the Eastern part of the United States. Later on, as America developed, Carpenter locks found a new market in Australia. Both the Currycombs and locks were produced in Willenhall, South Staffordshire, England. Please feel free to post more pics and info on the currycombs from Carpenter and Co. Thankyou very much.

              David Hunt
              Canberra, Australia

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              • #8
                Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

                [IMG][/IMG]Gentlemen,
                My first post on the site, so please excuse the late date. I am constantly attempting to improve my gear and have had a hard time finding a curry comb that is both period to the CW and fits inside my saddlebag. I have one like Ken shows in his photo #7, a “The more common or, at least well known Federal issue curry comb is the “Y” comb.” But this is still to large to fit with a brush, nails, and shoes! I ran across a comb marked 1864 and wondered if there were any comments and if this style might be acceptable. It is at the following site.
                http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI...vip=true&rt=nc.

                Thanks Sam

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                • #9
                  Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

                  Sam, somehow I missed your post a month or so ago. I am sorry. I too saw this comb on ebay. I have seen reference to this one before and have seen one or two non-excavated samples but none of them "dated" as yours is referenced to be and, never one excavated from a CW site. Perhaps it was an 1864 pattern or patent but, not made in large numbers? I really do not know but can only speculate.
                  I know it seems there is alot of "stuff" for the cavalryman to carry. Which is why it was common practice for a "mess" or even a larger group to "share" a comb and brush as well as other tools and utensils. Thanks for the info and post!

                  BTW, Same please use your full name in posts at all times.

                  Ken R Knopp

                  Oh, and BTW, A bit of updated additional information regarding one of the combs in my original post on this thread:

                  The Mary Veal” curry comb (see photo and caption #4) .....New information courtesy of my friend (and fellow curry comb enthusiast, Sean Bradshaw).
                  Until now, we have not been sure of the origins of this curry comb that is frequently excavated from CW sites. It is noted by having a brass disc embossed with the name “Mary Veal Patent New York”. Some recently discovered information tells us this comb is of British manufacture at least dating back to 1834, and again, from England (see reference below). This area in England was known for their prolific manufacture of curry combs.
                  It is believed the “Mary Veal” comb was named after a daughter of English curry comb maker John Veal and was herself a manufacturer of combs. The reference accompanying “New York” is not entirely clear but we speculate that the comb itself is an English Patent comb by Mary Veal but made in New York or, perhaps, made in England and shipped to a New York purchasing house with contracts to the Federal gov’t during the war.
                  I should point out that there appears to be a liberal use of the so called, “fat lady” pattern. It was also made by American maker Hotchkiss & Sons and both very similar to the English Carpenter & Co. #333 comb. The Mary Veal combs are a fairly common comb excavated from CW sites.

                  Ken R Knopp & Sean Bradshaw


                  History, Gazetteer, and Directory of
                  Staffordshire... (By William White (of Sheffield) Published 1834)
                  A Directory of the City and County of the City of Lichfield, Comprising ... a General Survey of the County of Stafford and the Diocese of Lichfield & Coventry; with Separate Historical, Statistical, & Topographical Descriptions of All the Boroughs, Towns, Parishes, Villages, Hamlets, Manors, and Liberties, in the Five Hundreds of the Shire ... by William White (Google eBook)


                  Pg 242........
                  Curry Comb mfrs.
                  Atkins Win.
                  Carpenter James
                  Carpenter Wm.
                  Kershaw Thomas
                  Rowley Wm.
                  Veal John
                  Veal Mary
                  Veal Thomas
                  Wakclam Thomas
                  Wilderson Edward

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                  • #10
                    Re: Federal (and other 19th Century) Curry Combs...

                    I thought I'd throw out a suggestion in regaurd to carrying you comb , brush, pick ect. I put that horse stuff in my nose bag and hang it from the right side of the pommel. There is no "right " way to do these things, as far as I know, but this works for me. My talking pony is sick...he's a little horse...plm
                    Save me a place at the fire,

                    Paul L Muller

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