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  • Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

    This is an email I receaved and I am curious what ya'll think?
    Greg Geisel Jr.

    Anyone can read history and gain knowledge, but to develop a deep understanding of the period of time you must live it. This is one of the basic truths that draw us into the reenacting hobby. Through our collective hours of research, we put into practice the fundamentals of life in the 1860’s as we believe them to be. We strive for perfection in our uniforms, equipment, and cavalry tack trying to the best of our ability to be as close as possible to what the soldiers of the Civil War had. This is called “Being Period” and referred to as the “Authenticity” of our impression. Authenticity, the genuineness or truth of something, is the backbone or foundation that our hobby is built on. Without it we are wasting our time.



    We should research to improve our knowledge and continuously replace equipment that is not 100% accurate. However, that is expensive and not everyone can afford it, especially for the cavalry. With the economy the way it is and if this hobby is going to survive, we need to reevaluate what we are doing and how we do it. Authenticity in our uniforms, tack, camp, and how we fight a battle is important, but it all has to balance out to be successful. I have reenacted 27 years and seen a lot of people come and go, from the ones who are an embarrassment to the hard core re-enactors. Surprisingly, time and time again, those who have done the most damage to the cavalry before quitting were from the ranks of the “Hard Core”.



    Take a moment to evaluate the most effective, efficient and authentic way for the cavalry to conduct itself during a reenactment battle. I’ve been to events where the cavalry rode onto the filed, fired a few rounds, then we sat on our horses watching the rest of the battle contributing nothing. For example, at the 125th Manassas we drilled in 100 degree heat, twice a day, for 3 days with only one battle Sunday afternoon at Henry House Hill. To open the battle we rode out in a “Column of Fours”, went into a skirmish line, fired 3 shots at nearby trees, marched off the field before the union infantry was in sight, and sat in front of the spectator line blocking their view for the remainder of the battle. The commander told us because the cavalry didn’t do anything in the original battle we would sit there and prove we could follow orders. The federal cavalry commander sent a courier with a message that they were waiting for us on an isolated part of the land. Regardless, there we sat being historically correct looking very authentic, contributing absolutely nothing to the event, and being totally useless.



    Unfortunately, doing nothing is what the union cavalry was well known for during the first two years of the war, as can be seen from these reports: “The Union Cavalry in the Civil War Volume III the War in the West” by Stephen Z. Starr.



    After the battle of Shiloh the cavalry was, “In great disrepute among… (the) entire army. At Shiloh the infantry said they had acted badly, and all assumed that all cavalry would do the same.” General Grant said, “The usual cavalry stupidity.” General Sherman talking about the 4th Illinois reported, “A mere squad, and it is worse than a toothache to call upon them for hard work,” and wrote Grant, “He mistrusted their reports.” (Starr 21)



    General Albin Schoepf wrote about the 1st Kentucky US Cavalry, “They are a nuisance and the sooner they are disbanded the better.” He asked, “Is there no such thing as obtaining a regiment of reliable cavalry?” (33)



    Major C. C. Halpine wrote of the 7th Kansas , “The regimental and company commanders knew nothing of their duties…” and went on to tell of the poor condition of their camps and lack of firearms, no discipline, or knowledge of the drill. (34)



    General John M. Schofield wrote, “The only cavalry force at my disposal is a battalion of Germans, utterly worthless for scouting. If I trust them out of my sight for a moment they will plunder and rob friend and foe alike.” (36)



    In their defense, these reports were written during the first half of the war when the union cavalry was still learning its job and operating as scattered units. Later they were reorganized into the efficient cavalry divisions that they are remembered for. This doesn’t apply to everyone. There were some regiments who worked hard and did a good job from the beginning of the war, despite the lack of firearms and the limitations of equipment. These reports help to explain where the saying came from, “Did you ever see a dead cavalryman?”



    General Sherman’s low opinion of his cavalry still remained on July 4, 1864, during the Atlanta Campaign. He received a report that Confederate General Joe Wheeler’s cavalry division was at Roswell, Georgia preparing to use the town as a base to attack his railroad. His ordered to General Garrard read in part:

    You may draw out at once and go to Roswell , and if you can force your way to it,

    you may gain a secure position from which you can watch that point. In case the

    enemy's cavalry get across you must hang to him, opposing him whenever

    opposition is possible, and send couriers rapidly to me, and to the points of the

    railroad threatened... In case he passes round by Canton to go toward

    Cartersville, send notice and hang on his rear...

    I cannot imagine General Lee having to tell General Jeb Stewart, “if you can force your way to it, or hang on his rear, or opposing him whenever opposition is possible.” Sherman even attacked Jonesboro with his army because he couldn’t trust his cavalry to cut the railroad.



    This brings up a few questions that are food for thought and each of us should take a moment to reflect on. Why do we reenact? What are we trying to do or prove to ourselves or to each other? Are we loosing sight of what the hobby is all about? Just what exactly is a reenactment?



    Let’s face it; a reenactment is anything but an authentic Civil War battle. No matter how much effort we put into obtaining period correct uniforms, drill, or equipment we can never achieve total authenticity. All we can do is try to demonstrate to the best of our ability what we believe a battle could have looked like, within the limitations of the safety constraints. Simply stated, the definition of a reenactment is a demonstration of what we think a Civil War battle could have looked like.



    During the time allotment and the scenario of a battle, the infantry demonstrates as many different aspects of what the infantry did during the war as they can. March, maneuver, make a battle line, load a musket, the different ways to fire a musket, advance, fall back, and take hits. The artillery demonstrates how to load and fire a cannon safely, battery fire, counter battery fire, if the gun is mounted, how to limber and unlimber a cannon, etc. The signal corps demonstrates how to send and receive messages. The medical corps demonstrates what a period hospital looked like, help in medical emergencies (if trained), and passes out ice. Each person at a reenactment demonstrates what the person they are portraying could have done during the war.



    The cavalry should also try to demonstrate during a reenactment battle everything the cavalry did or was expected to do in the war. They were expected to develop riding skills and horsemanship, trained and cared for their horses, and drilled on horseback in order to be able to march in formation. They manned advance picket post (sometimes miles from the army guarding against a surprise attack), scouting (gathering information on the enemy), knew the drill manual (many times their lives depended on their ability to quickly get into a formation and follow orders), deliver messages, and escorted generals. They protected the flanks of the army, the speed of the horses could be utilized to quickly plug a hole in a wavering line, and they were the shock troops used to attack or counter attack.



    They were also expected to be proficient with all three types of cavalry weapons: the carbine, the revolver, and the saber. They needed to know how to load and fire their carbines and revolvers mounted or on foot, along with knowing how to use their saber. Speed (horses can run over 30 MPH) and the element of surprise gave the cavalry its biggest advantage, in the 1860’s as well as today. Our success or failure at a reenactment is measured by our ability to demonstrate the elements of each job of the cavalry.



    Most of us were intrigued by the hobby because of an interest in history, and after having read several books on the subject we wanted to experience a soldier’s life first hand. We wanted to know what it is like to camp in the heat, cold, rain, snow, do without modern conveniences, go hungry, cook over a fire, eat hard tack, or participate in a battle. You can read about sleeping on the hard ground with a saddle for a pillow, but until you have actually done it you have no idea how difficult it is to get comfortable.



    If you ride a horse at a reenactment you should want to experience all of the elements of being a cavalryman. Not doing so cheats yourself, and everyone present, from fellow re-enactors, to the event, to the spectators, along with the memory of those who served in the war. When the cavalry refuses to carry sabers and does not participate with them they have not only reduced their choice of weapons by 1/3 but have reduced their useful effectiveness and ability to function as cavalry by more than 50%. It’s hard to carry enough revolvers to last an entire battle, so once they are empty about all you can do is sit and watch or fire the carbine at long range. This puts the horsemen out of the action so they are no longer functioning in the vital roll of the cavalry as a fast moving shock force protecting the flanks of the army. Through the years I have seen this on many occasions.



    I have heard the saber Melee called “the dance of the Saber Ferries.” Anyone saying this is either completely ignorant or jealous they are not mounted. Not just anyone or just any horse will tolerate the noise and quick turns of a saber fight. It takes a well trained horse and an experienced rider to stay mounted and someone who has been taught how to safely use his saber. Saber fighting demonstrates one’s skill and ability above any other element of the hobby. It takes physical conditioning for the horse and rider, quick thinking, good reflexes, balance, and courage. The number of horses attending the 145th Gettysburg and the 145th Chickamauga reenactments were similar. Yet the cavalry action at Gettysburg was the best ever at a national event, it was head and shoulders over Chickamauga .



    The saber is the symbol of the cavalry, once you get used to carrying it you feel incomplete with out it, and the saber Melee demonstrates our skill level. During a reenactment battle the two cavalry commanders should be in tune with each other and constantly aware of their surroundings (keeping track of what is happening with the infantry and artillery). Every battle has its lulls where nothing is going on, whether the infantry is moving into position, regrouping after a charge, or the artillery can’t fire. At some point a dead spot develops where there is nothing happening. These lulls are the defining moments for the reenacting cavalry and where we demonstrate our value to the hobby. The cavalry can signal each other and within seconds a saber charge keeps the action going, preventing the battle from becoming boring. This is more important at smaller local events than the national events with thousands of re-enactors.



    We are in some of the hardest economic times since the great depression. In the future we will have to carefully evaluate events we attend and reduce unnecessary expenses. Every dollar not spent on shooting revolvers to make a big bang and smoke is a dollar that can be used to improve our impressions or repair our tack. Attending an event cost the cavalry twice as much as the infantry plus the cost of the tack, horse board, feed, hay, and veterinary. Using a saber cost less than caps and powder.



    Historically, there were regiments and companies on both sides that did not carry sabers. On the other hand, there are combat reports and descriptions of saber charges through out the volumes of the Official Records of the Civil War. It is obvious the saber was carried by thousands of cavalrymen and was considered a valuable cavalry weapon all the way through World War One. After the war, to maintain the saber skill of his troopers General Custer held weekly saber fighting competitions. Using padded sticks they scored points for slashes and cuts. They fought at the platoon level with the winners competing at the company level, and then the company winners competed at the regimental level. At the end of the month the overall winner got a 3 day Furlough.



    Authenticity is one of the most important elements of reenacting and we should always strive to be 100% authentic in our uniforms, tack, and everything we do. However, it has to be balanced because (like in everything else) when authenticity is taken to point of excess it becomes harmful. I have seen cavalry units who think they are so historically accurate they tend to look down their noses at those who don’t quite measure up to their standards. We look up to them so this attitude has been incredibly harmful to the hobby and damaging to the cavalry. At a reenactment one unit flatly refused to carry sabers while portraying Confederates stating it was for authenticity reasons. During the reenactment after every command they turned to their officer for his approval. If he didn’t give it they would not move, destroying any hope of a cavalry scenario. Preferring to sit on a hill and watching the battle, demonstrating to the world how historically correct they were, rather than fight alongside the rest. In reality all of their authenticity amounted to nothing. They were no benefit to the event or anyone, and only demonstrated what Generals Grant, Sherman, and Schofield had to say about their cavalry. Thus showing first hand what General Schoepf meant when he wrote, “Is there no such thing as obtaining a regiment of reliable cavalry?”



    We tend to forget one defining thing that separates reenacting from other hobbies, (within limits) there is a place for everybody. I stated (within limits) because we are a historical origination and there is no room for hate groups, or unsafe acts. For example: in sports such as baseball, football, car racing, etc. you are either a player or a spectator nothing in between. Yet, in reenacting no matter what your physical limitations, gender, or age there is something you can do if you want to participate that adds a valuable element to the overall hobby. Everyone sees the soldier, but some of the lesser known jobs are: camp follower, cook, servant, newspaper correspondent – artist, sailor, messenger, drummer boy, bugler, teamster, foreign observer, lady in a ball gown, widow, senator giving campaign speeches, doctor, nurse, photographer, or portraying a historical figure like Jefferson Davis. There are many more positions that I have not listed, and you can research anything that was done in the 1860’s and portray it; adding an impression that is a valuable asset. We should be respectful of each other keeping in mind that not everyone can afford to buy a hand made uniform. I’m not saying we shouldn’t strive for perfection, because only by striving for perfection can we achieve the desired high level of authenticity. However, we should be considerate and tolerant of everyone.



    “How important are the spectators to the hobby?”



    People have commented they do not care if the spectators attend. Without them we would not have reenactments because the tickets they buy fund the events. Basically many of them attend for the same reason we do. They watch a reenactment so they can experience, in their own way, what a Civil War battle was like. Most of us who reenact want to share our knowledge of history and make it interesting so people will want to learn more about the war. We know we have done our job well if just one spectator becomes curious enough to read a book on the subject after having seen a battle or living history.



    Chances are we would not be re-enactors if someone had not made history interesting to us at some point in our lives. We owe it to ourselves and to the spectators to demonstrate to the best of our ability every element of the cavalry, not doing so brings dishonor to the memory of the troopers who fought and gave their all during the war. The people who come to watch are also an important resource for recruits. Very few of us began the hobby without having first been a spectator. For example; I went to two reenactments as a spectator trying to find out how to get involved. If we expect the hobby to continue we have to do everything in our power to keep it interesting, otherwise it will die out with our generation.



    By Mike Brown








    Feel free to forward this article to cavalry re-enactors.

  • #2
    Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

    Ok, I'll bite....

    This cleary does not belong on the AC. The authors repeated reference to balancing authenticity against modern expedients alone make it not fit for this forum.

    Cavalry on this side of the hobby often don't get as much action in the scenario as we'd like, but, we have to work in the contraints of history. If they didn't carry sabres, neither should we. A few years ago at McDowell we portrayed a Fed unit that didn't have carbines. We didn't carry them, even though it meant we lost a big chunk of our "combat effectiveness." Such is history.

    The only way this discussion can be appropriate for this forum is as a vehicle for how authentic cavalry can encourage event hosts/organizers to give us a meatier role in events. Perhaps the author of the original letter should come out to the Unison event in October if he wishes to serve as cavalry doing cavalry things...

    Take care,
    Tom Craig
    1st Maine Cavalry
    Tom Craig

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    • #3
      Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

      The word "diatribe" comes to mind. It is rambling and pointless. Like Tom, I think the author is not as much concerned with authenticity as getting a little action on the field.
      Joe Smotherman

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      • #4
        Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

        Thank you for your responce. I posted this to get an opinion from "Hardcore"!
        Sorry if it doesn't fit in this forum but its where I knew to get a realistic opinion.

        Thanks for your time,
        Sgt. Greg Geisel Jr.
        "Georgia Volunteer Cavalry Battalion"
        FFD "lightning brigade"

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        • #5
          Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

          Does Mike Brown know this was posted here?
          Coley Adair
          Critter Company

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          • #6
            Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

            First it would help your reputation to spell sabre and cavalry right, calvary hill is something else entirely. Knowing Mike Brown he's a nice guy, I like him and he even rode with us a couple of times, but authentic he's not. So in some ways I find this the pot calling the kettle black. As usual, how long he's been a reenactor means nothing ( they all throw that stat up), it's what you do, not how long you do it. Furthermore, if people got the right stuff first then there would be no need to "upgrade" as hardly anyone ever does! A hand sewn uniform it not much more expensive than the crap that is sold to profit the snake oil salesmen.
            The hard cores who got out of it, got out through sheer disgust with the lack of standards and this kind of balance attitude. We bent corners for people to ride with us. We gave them equipment. It was casting pearls before swine! They just did not get it nor did they want to. It is either authentic or not. There is not great cost to take off a stampede string for example, but even that is like pulling teeth. It is a higher level of thought and philosophy, one many are unable to grasp.
            His example of 1st Manassas is a poor excuse to yeeehah. Sorry but sometimes cavalry did little at a major infantry battle, deal with it. It's not all about you. I was at that event as well and there was nothing "authentic" about that cavalry in the battle or out, they were an embarrassment.
            The question of what we want to present or experience is a good one though. Many would say; personally, to gain an insight as to the function of cavalry. Next , I would say to provide an education for the public as to what real cavalrymen were and how they functioned. Lastly, to honor and keep alive the memory of brave men's sacrifice. If we wish to show the function of cavalry, a reenactment may not be the right place. A living history or narrated interpretive program may be more appropriate. The public can learn and we can dispel all the myths of cavalry that Hollywood and reenactors have fooled the public with...such as PISTOLS! How many times do we have to go over this!!!! You are talking about authenticity in cavalry and in the same article talk about how many pistols one can carry! GIVE ME A BREAK!! Pistols are one of the problems reenactors continue to cause, that whole myth!
            If you are representing a specific unit at a specific time then do what they did. Which might mean nothing or a lack weapons! If you are doing general interp program on cavalry then a variety in ranks is a good basis to talk about. The variety in ranks is good subject to talk to the public about. As well as, tactical function mounted and dismounted, and function as it pertains to care of the horse and man.
            On to the dance of the sabre farbs. WOW! A lull in a reenactment battle is not always a good place to insert a cavalry charge just because. Talk about misinformation for the public! So much of the reenactment battle is already completely wrong and you want to stick a sabre charge in cause you're bored! A charge between two infantry ranks where they would be mowed down, now that's a great educational experience for the public, huh Farnsworth! As I said, we all know there is nothing about most big reenactments that is authentic. How about the lack of distance?! What did they charge for? How about when cavalry charged they rallied out while the next squadron was coming in. How about the fact that a rally does not mean 20 yards! How about that the objective was to punch through to an objective or break the order of your opponent. Not to dilly dally about smiling and laughing but to strike hard, rally out and come again. How come we never see this at a reenactment!
            Then to say." it takes a well trained horse and an experienced rider to stay mounted and someone who has been taught how to safely use his saber." WOW what a joke! I make my living from horses and these so-called cavalrymen are an embarrassment and brutal to their horses! The only way most stay on is by hanging on the reins , hurting the horses mouth and back. At that Manassas farb fest a saw horses saddle in the sun all day long while their fat lazy owners sat in the shade, too lazy to unsaddle or care for their horse! Why drill in 100 degrees?! Most of these people don't ride enough to get their horse fit anyway! What he seems to want is everyone to carry everything so when the great rugby match on horses takes place at the great farb fest, between the infantry, there is enough weight on his side of the scrum to win. Very cosmopolitan. Oh and this criticism comes from someone who loves the sabre and a chance to use it...ME. The sabre charge and melee can be scripted out to be more representative. Simple go in fast, tight. and hard, rally out at distance and come again, while another squadron is doing the same. If you want to really show that hand to hand sabre fight , plan it out with experienced opponents with a series of thrust, parry, and cuts. Do not linger and piddle around then rally within shouting distance. Show real distance with sabre or firearm and show the mobility of the horse.
            I'm sure I left something out as I had a hard time reading this post without my head exploding with all the BS in there. Nothing will ever be fixed because it's all about who has the most riders, right or not, at these reenactments. Like socialism, It's not based on merit or quality. It's the little, big dick syndrome with these hollow leaders in the mainstream.

            Sincerely, Todd Kern
            Valley Light Horse

            PS
            UMM... yes we have looked down our noses and made fun of farbs...I mean really come on you've seen them too.
            BTW the depression of the late 70's was worse than today
            Todd Kern

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            • #7
              Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

              Dear Todd,
              Thank you, and Amen.
              Pete
              Just a private soldier trying to make a difference

              Patrick Peterson
              Old wore out Bugler

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              • #8
                Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

                Originally posted by T.Kern View Post
                His example of 1st Manassas is a poor excuse to yeeehah. Sorry but sometimes cavalry did little at a major infantry battle, deal with it.
                Well, everybody with real experience on this subject has said it a lot better than me, but I'll just add one comment.

                I expect that the definition of "doing little" in the period and "doing little" in the modern world are different, and thus a lot of the complaints would fade in proportion to how accurately battles are reenacted.

                While the federal cavalry may have done little from a tactical standpoint at First Manassas, I expect that a reenactment of a thirty-mile march while scouting fords and bridges, followed by another thirty-mile skedaddle back with the enemy harrassing you part of the way, would make for a busy and challenging few days at an event, even if 140 years later military historians might conclude that you really didn't do anything. :)

                Hank Trent
                hanktrent@voyager.net
                Hank Trent

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                • #9
                  Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

                  It said at the bottom to share with your fellow Cavalry Reenactors? I just wanted to see other opinions. Maybe I should have left his name off but I didn't want everyone to think I wrote it and was trying too pass it off to start BS. I have put this on other forums and gotten different responses.
                  But I think I like Todd's response the best, Thanks Todd>

                  Greg

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                  • #10
                    Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

                    Todd,

                    You have proven yourself in this occasion the proverbial “maestro of the key board”! Excellent, well thought out and said rejoinder! Thank you!
                    Greg, thank you for posting! This was not directed at you.
                    We welcome and strongly encourage proper topic discussion so we note and appreciate Greg’s post here as he brings up some good points of discussion particularly regarding the use of cavalry at events however, a few of the other points of “mainstream” activities (i.e. the saber fight) are “pointless” to again argue here. Been there, done that. Nevertheless, it allowed us the opportunity to also exercise or should I say “exorcize” them. Hopefully, for the last time?
                    Greg, you and anyone else are most welcome to post topics for education and discussion so long as we keep the subject matter focused on authentic cavalry & mounted artillery of the mid-19th century period without getting “lost” arguing mainstream mentality, misconceptions, and activities that are clearly reenactorisms. Since this is an evolutionary process (none of us has "arrived" at authentic perfection) that is sometimes hard to know and therefore some things should be asked and discussed. However, saber fighting as noted is certainly NOT in that category. Last, and most important is that we do this without getting personal. Keep it civil.
                    Thanks to all.

                    Ken R Knopp

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                    • #11
                      Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

                      Originally posted by Hank Trent View Post
                      Well, everybody with real experience on this subject has said it a lot better than me, but I'll just add one comment.

                      I expect that the definition of "doing little" in the period and "doing little" in the modern world are different, and thus a lot of the complaints would fade in proportion to how accurately battles are reenacted.

                      While the federal cavalry may have done little from a tactical standpoint at First Manassas, I expect that a reenactment of a thirty-mile march while scouting fords and bridges, followed by another thirty-mile skedaddle back with the enemy harrassing you part of the way, would make for a busy and challenging few days at an event, even if 140 years later military historians might conclude that you really didn't do anything. :)

                      Hank Trent
                      hanktrent@voyager.net

                      Yes Hank, I agree that is a lot but what Mike wants is more fightin, and they just weren't in the stand up fight he wants. Todd
                      Todd Kern

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                      • #12
                        Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

                        Todd,

                        Well said! I'm actually a little verklempt. I haven't seen someone get reemed that way in a long time.
                        Joe Smotherman

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                        • #13
                          Re: Calvary Reenacting with a Sabe

                          The thing that strikes me about all of this is just how narrow minded this Mike fellow is. He professes to want to do more work of real cavalry at fixed camp mainstream events. Funny I dont seem to remember him being at any of the Unison events where we covered some miles, forded streams, watered from creeks, scouted, skirmished, fought mounted and dismounted, saber charged down narrow stone wall bordered roads, put on accurate interpretive programs for the local citizens, educated the public, educated other reenactors etc etc etc, all the while maintaining high standards for material culture as well as tactics and drill.

                          Yes at the end of the day, both man and beast both slept soundly after experiencing cavalry actions as close as we can make it to the original events that current research and safety will allow. Its not about convenience.

                          Some folks just dont get it no matter what.

                          Dave Myrick

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