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    Finally, I got my hands on an English language reprint of the book THE GREAT CAVALRY BATTLE OF BRANDY STATION, June 1863 by Heros von Borcke and Justus Scheibert. Von Borcke and Scheibert were Prussians who witnessed the battle- Von Borcke as a participant in the fighting and Scheibert as an observer. The book was originally published in German language in 1893 and difficult to find until it was reprinted in 1976 by Palaemon Press Ltd, Winston Salem NC. It provides an accurate, lively and interesting account of the battle with excellent biographical sketches of the principals that has been often quoted in important historical works. Perhaps of equal interest (at least to us here ) yet rarely examined are two other items from its content. First, a brief depiction of the ANV cavalryman and second, the sketches used to illustrate the book. I present both here for your observations and comment.

    1. While the book goes into lengthy (and very interesting) detail about the kind of men that rode under Stuart, my comments will be limited to the arms, equipment, clothing and horses of the ANV cavalryman as observed and written by von Borcke and Scheibert. The views on cavalry found in the volume appear to be those of Scheibert with Borcke's approval. However, these are worthy of consideration due to the detail and perspective these two Prussian soldiers bring to their intended readers- Prussian or other Europeans rather than American. I believe, they offer us a very good education through their salient points.

    (QUOTE) “Their saddles and bridles were very light and simple: a Mexican saddle (Ed.: Not truly Mexican as we know it but meaning the method of rawhide covered tree which was unusual to Europeans at the time) of tough wood, open over the horse’s back to allow the circulation of air, a wool saddle blanket and stirrups of heat-curved hickory, fitted in front with an open leather shoe (Ed.: stirrups hoods. Again, unusual as European armies generally used metal stirrups) to protect the rider’s feet against wet and dirt. The pack which was fastened to the saddle consisted mostly of a rolled-up rubber blanket, a leather pouch (Ed; saddle bags) for extra horseshoes, and one for the rider’s personal necessities. They used bits, sometimes just a bridle, but never both together. (ed. :The Europeans of the time generally used the bit and bradoon hence their strange descriptive and understanding) The bit, which could usually be unhooked, was fastened directly to the halter (Ed.: the CS combination “halter-bridle”.) In addition, there was a long, flat leather halter strap tied to one of the rings on the front of the saddle. With it the trooper, while dismounted during long breaks, lets his horse gras over a relatively large are on the plentiful grass.
    The cavalryman carried a slightly curved sabre which, as a rule, was fastened under the upper saddle girth below the soldier’s left leg (Ed.: OH, Oh! Not this again! More contemporary evidence!), a revolver (Colt) in a holster fastened to his sword belt, and a rather long carbine slung over his back.
    The regulation uniform was supposed to consist of a light gray jacket with a yellow collar, light gray trousers with yellow stripes, high riding boots and a French style kepi. But, as the war progressed, of course many variations sprang up, so that one could hardly speak of a proper uniform. The kepi in particular was replaced by a light round felt hat with a broad brim turned up on one side. Those who could afford the luxury decorated the hat with plumes or other feathers (Ed. all more evidence of a look not seen enough on reenactors). This felt hat proved to be the best headgear for the soldier. It protected him against the sun and rain, and, with a cloth tucked inside, offered as certain protection against the bare sword as the best helmet......
    At the beginning and during the first two years of the war the Southern states had quite an abundant supply of horses. For a number of years Southerners had been breeding horses very scientifically. Without regard for expense, valuable studs had been imported from England, two of which had even won the English Derby. The horses were of medium size, very elegant in form, and extraordinarily efficient. They wee also characterized by great docility and a very gentle nature. In bivouacs there were often several thousand horses, including no small percentage of stallions. Once seldom heard a sound from them, there was no biting, kicking or loud whinnying as is usual in European armies, even with small numbers of horses.
    The horses had one drawback in particular. Their hooves were soft, probably due to the fact that most of them had been ridden unshod before the war. This defect was not very noticeable when riding on soft ground, but it became more apparent in mountains and on rocky terrain. There, the horseshoes, which held only slightly in the soft hooves, were easily and often lost. The hoof soon wore down to the quick, and the horse, which rider had not learned to shoe his horse immediately with a reserve horseshoe, had to be left behind, This caused many an otherwise gallant trooper to fall into enemy hands.” (End Quote)
    What do you think?



    2. Another important aspect of the book are the illustrations in the book. While somewhat faulty due to their biased European understanding they provide some very interesting points for consideration and discussion. Please note that these illustrations offer a unique sense of realism as they (As quoted from the author’s forward) ....“were drawn by C. Sellmer, an outstanding artist and painter of battle scenes. They are based on sketches of different incidents during the engagement, which Scheibert made on the spot, and can be regarded as depictions of actual events, not just imaginative illustrations.” (end quote)
    What interesting points or perhaps conclusions (?) do you folks note about these illustrations?


    Ken R Knopp
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    Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

    Thank you Ken, I think I should finally get the reprint of it in Germman which was published a few years ago!
    Very interesting details indeed!!!
    Jan H.Berger
    Hornist

    German Mess
    http://germanmess.de/

    www.lederarsenal.com


    "Und setzet ihr nicht das Leben ein, nie wird euch das Leben gewonnen sein."( Friedrich Schiller)

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    • #3
      Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

      Can't wait for the sabre discussion to start again!

      Great post Ken. Thanks for the info. I am surprise at the lack of a mention of any valises.
      Rob Bruno
      1st MD Cav
      http://1stmarylandcavalry.com

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        Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

        Ken,

        Thanks for posting this as I have long been interested in von Borke and would love to read this english translation in it's entirety.

        A few questions/observations:

        First, I hope you are happy that you have once again opened Pandora's box on the sabre thing, ha. :D Also, the "strapped-to-the-saddle" issue has been re-kindled.

        Secondly, I have not heard anyone describe the felt hat with a cloth stuffed inside it as being a good "helmet" against a sabre blow. I suppose it could soften the blow, but sounds somewhat embellished to me.

        Thirdly, I was surprised that the rawhide covering of a wooden tree was so foreign to the Europeans. Didn't McClellan observe the saddles used in the Crimean War and were there none that were rawhide covered?

        Finally, the description of the horses who had soft hooves due to previously going shoeless was surprising to me. I have always heard and found to be so, that the opposite was the case. A horse whose feet have been toughened by going without shoes have harder hooves rather than softer. I suppose that this could vary based on the terrain that the horse was raised on. Perhaps the ground out east was more moist than that of the deep south or especially the southwest. Would be interested in the comments of others on this.

        I have seen two of the prints that you displayed and appreciated seeing the third. I look forward to getting a copy of this book for my collection.

        thanks for sharing,
        Mark
        J. Mark Choate
        7th TN. Cavalry, Co. D.

        "Let history dictate our impressions.......not the other way around!"

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          Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

          Ken -

          Thanks so much for posting this! I, too, have long been interested in the reports of contemporary observers as their perspective is much more detail oriented.

          Looking at the illustrations, the stirrup straps, as drawn, seem sort of funky.

          While we have always considered the "saber on the horse" (here it comes again!) a reenactorism, I've often thought about this. Based on my personal experience in the USMC, and studying the common soldier of other wars, "expediency" and "practicality" in the placement of gear becomes the norm.

          "In the field" is often much different than "by the book." I have spent a lot of time investigating Navy and Marine pilots in the Pacific Theater in WWII. They, too, were at the long end of a supply chain, and their uniforms and the way that they did things were most often not by the "book."
          Mike Ventura
          Shannon's Scouts

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            Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

            Mark said,

            "Finally, the description of the horses who had soft hooves due to previously going shoeless was surprising to me. I have always heard and found to be so, that the opposite was the case. A horse whose feet have been toughened by going without shoes have harder hooves rather than softer. I suppose that this could vary based on the terrain that the horse was raised on. Perhaps the ground out east was more moist than that of the deep south or especially the southwest. Would be interested in the comments of others on this."

            Yeah this puzzle me as well. I have definitely found the opposite to be true. I am thinking that perhaps -THEY- were mistaken( Blasphemy!!) about the cause of the soft hooves. Too much moisture yes. Inadequate nutrition yes. Rocky or hard ground...um... not in my experience or anyone else that I know who spends alot of time with horses.

            A couple things surprise/jump out at me besides what y'all have already mentioned:

            Saddlebags. I wouldnt have thought that many had them to warrant mention but then again I am much more "tuned in" to Western Theater Cav.

            The mention of a long enough -leather lead-to allow grazing. I wonder about this . I guess it depends on what they mean by "relatively large area" but my repop leather strap isnt long enough for my horse to do much grazing. Too short? Were originals longer? I havent seen the specs for what they were supposed to be, at least for the Feds ,but would be curious to know if anyone has that info handy.

            Thanks Ken!!
            Patrick McAllister
            Saddlebum

            "Bíonn grásta Dé idir an diallait agus an talamh

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              Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

              Originally posted by Choatecav View Post
              Ken,

              Thirdly, I was surprised that the rawhide covering of a wooden tree was so foreign to the Europeans. Didn't McClellan observe the saddles used in the Crimean War and were there none that were rawhide covered?
              Actually it might be that McClellan was inspired by the hungarian "bocksattel" ( that is the official story)but the tree pattern is much closer to the mexican technique than to the European saddles. Rawhide as a saddle tree cover was not common in Europe. However it was used as extension under the removeable seat padding of the Bocksattel, and the later German Armeesattel.
              Jan H.Berger
              Hornist

              German Mess
              http://germanmess.de/

              www.lederarsenal.com


              "Und setzet ihr nicht das Leben ein, nie wird euch das Leben gewonnen sein."( Friedrich Schiller)

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              • #8
                Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                Jan, Thanks for the post!! Can you tell us more about these two saddles you note? "The Hungarian Bocksattel, and the later German Armeesattel". What is their history and time period. I would really like to know more about them, their appearance, etc. Thank you! Best, Ken R Knopp

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                  Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                  Ken, I will try to post some drawings from the manuals. If I recall correctely they are of the M1842 Bocksattel for Artillery. I have an original M1874 which has a steel pommel and cantle but is otherwise pretty similar. This one was used by the Artillery till end of WWI. The German Armeesattel 89 ( M1889) and the later Armeesattel 25 (M1925) are similar to the English saddle and you ought to be familiar with it as they are not rare to find in the US, those souvenier hunters...
                  Last edited by J.H.Berger; 12-20-2009, 11:57 AM.
                  Jan H.Berger
                  Hornist

                  German Mess
                  http://germanmess.de/

                  www.lederarsenal.com


                  "Und setzet ihr nicht das Leben ein, nie wird euch das Leben gewonnen sein."( Friedrich Schiller)

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                  • #10
                    Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                    Here is the first one
                    Attached Files
                    Jan H.Berger
                    Hornist

                    German Mess
                    http://germanmess.de/

                    www.lederarsenal.com


                    "Und setzet ihr nicht das Leben ein, nie wird euch das Leben gewonnen sein."( Friedrich Schiller)

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                    • #11
                      Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                      And the other two
                      Attached Files
                      Jan H.Berger
                      Hornist

                      German Mess
                      http://germanmess.de/

                      www.lederarsenal.com


                      "Und setzet ihr nicht das Leben ein, nie wird euch das Leben gewonnen sein."( Friedrich Schiller)

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                      • #12
                        Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                        At the period of McClellan being influenced by the Hungarian saddle, most European armies relied heavily on their cavalry, who they had no touble recruiting.

                        The problems arose with the fact that many horses were rendered unfit for service by reason of riding positions of the majority of Troopers that went from indifferent to extremely poor.

                        The only countries that produced 'natural' horsemen were the Hungarians, Poles and Russian (Cossacks). Therefore a saddle that compensated for these 'indifferent' riders was needed.

                        The main requirements of this saddle were:

                        1. It had to evenly spread the weight of a fully equiped Trooper, of about 16st (225 lbs) over the greatest possible area, whilst maintaining the ability to be adjusted in order to compensate for the inevitable deterioration of condition during campaign service.

                        2. It needed to be able to position a rider of average competence centrally,relatively balanced and securely, with the minimum of effort from Trooper so that he did not put undue strain on and already tired horse.

                        3. This saddle needed to be very easy to maintain under field conditions. (This can be done with a knife, twine and a screwdriver)

                        The image that Jan has posted with the side lacing, which is, as far as I know, of the Hungarian type, allows this to happen. By adjusting the lace tension at the front, back or equally, the riders position can be compensated for, and thereby reduces the stress to the horse's back.

                        The developement of this into the British UP saddle was carried out by two British officers, both of who were Cavalry reformers - Louis Edward Nolan and Francis Dwyer.

                        Below are images of the Hungarian saddle, showing how its adjustment could alter the seat, the UP tree and UP saddle.
                        Last edited by English Doc; 12-21-2009, 04:58 AM.
                        [FONT="Georgia"][B][I][U]Ken Pettengale[/U][/I][/B][/FONT]
                        [I]Volunteer Company, UK[/I]


                        "You may not like what you see, but do not on that account fall into the error of trying to adjust it to suit your own vision of what it ought to have been."
                        -- [I][B]George MacDonald Fraser[/B][/I]

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                          Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                          Sorry - Images
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                          [FONT="Georgia"][B][I][U]Ken Pettengale[/U][/I][/B][/FONT]
                          [I]Volunteer Company, UK[/I]


                          "You may not like what you see, but do not on that account fall into the error of trying to adjust it to suit your own vision of what it ought to have been."
                          -- [I][B]George MacDonald Fraser[/B][/I]

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                            Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                            Good to hear from you again EnglishDoc,

                            I enjoyed your interesting comments on the Hungarian type cavalry saddle, and evolvement to the UP.

                            The Australian Armys 2nd Cavalry Regiment Sergeants Mess has had a Light Cavalry Universal Pattern saddle of 1805 on display there for decades, and it's very similar to the Hungarian saddle you've described.

                            Having always been interested in the mounted arm, up until three years ago when I was still serving, I had the opportunity of spending some time examining the 1805 saddle, which surprisingly is in excellent condition. (It was a donated item from an old landed family in the state of New South Wales, and by their own account had seen some service in India.)

                            You mentioned that the side lacing could be adjusted to allow a compensation for the riders position, thereby reducing stress to the horses back.
                            I can't help but question this, as it's obvious that any tensioning or loosening of what is a length of "running" lacing can only slip and equalise whatever tension is adjusted along it's length.
                            An effective adjustment could be made if the laced stretched seat was adjustable at either end where it fixes to the cantle and pommel.
                            Unfortunately this doesnt appear to be possible as at either end the seat is nailed not screwed to the wooden cantle and pommel areas.

                            Forbes "History of the Army Ordnance Services" illustrates the saddle and it's fore and aft permanent fixing of the suspended seat.

                            Additionally it was common practice wherever possible in most European armies to fit a sheepskin or blanket over the suspended seat, "which took up room and made the seat smaller" (Parry D.H "The Death or Glory Boys").

                            There is an abundance of old drawings, paintings and photographs that clearly show the overwhelming dependence on "saddle blankets folded up to 16 thicknesses" (Parry D.H "The Death or Glory Boys") and extra padding in attempts to relieve the damaged backs of worn cavalry mounts particularly in the european theatres of operations.
                            One could assume that too much reliance was placed on the under saddle padding rather than actual saddle adjustment in the early days.

                            On the weight of fully equipped troopers; as early as the Napoleonic war and as late as 1868 it was noted that in the British Army, "The cavalry soldier of the British Service is a large heavy man, heavily armed and heavily equipped and rides probably not much under the weight of a man in armour...about 21 stone". (Field Marshall S.J Burgoyne. 1782-1871.)

                            There's little doubt that Captain L.E. Nolan was considered as "one of the best cavalry soldiers that ever lived" (LTCOL J.K Fraser. Aldershot Lectures NoXXXII. June 1891), and acknowledged as "being owed a considerable amount for his ideas" (MAJ. G. Tylden. Horses and Saddlery". 1965).

                            But to place the development of the British UP Saddle squarely in his and Dwyers hands overlooks the actual development work by officers like Colonel V. Baker which followed on three years after Nolans death in the Crimea; and MAJGEN F. Smith (Director of Veterinary Services) who after considerable research determined that "a cavalry horse should not carry more than one fifth of his mean weight of 1000 lb, or a total of 14 stone 3 lb; 15 stone should be the maximum". (Aldershot Lectures. Surgeon Major Smith "Weight Carried by the Troop Horse". 1863).

                            The 1856 to 1872 UP Wood Arch Saddle was the first of the "modern" UP series then developed further by Baker in 1868 and later input from various cavalry officers, but it was the Veterinerian Smith who forced the changes to the flawed 1884 UP saddle, and led to the final development of the 1904 and 1912 UP saddles.
                            Smiths 1908 manual "Animal Management" was the standard work of his day on sore backs in horses, and the recently formed Horse mounted element of the Australian Armys North West Mobile Force (NORFORCE) still utilises it as a reference tool.
                            I also have a copy for referencing if anyones at all interested.

                            I fail to find any reference to Dwyer, (although it's late here and I'm not searching extensively) not to say there isnt any, please advise.

                            My apologies for being so lengthy in my reply, but I'm sure you would agree it really is a most interesting subject.

                            Kim Stewart
                            Last edited by Lance Stifle; 12-21-2009, 07:53 AM. Reason: typing errors

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                              Re: Observations of ANV cavalry.....

                              Ken,

                              Great stuff!! Thanks for posting it.

                              I find the reaction to the sabre question to be a funny, but not uncommon one. I have no expertise at all in CS anything, but there is a growing body of evidence that in the second half of the war that Eastern Federal cavalry frequently mounted their sabres on their saddles. John Tobey has uncovered numerous quotes from eyewitness accounts of the men attaching their sabres that way.

                              In spite of that, there is a sort of knee jerk reaction about even discussing the practice for fear of being labled a farb, a yahoo, or what have you. This problem isn't limited to this issue, or to cavalry, but is a vice of this side of reenacting; essentially an over correction of past farbocity buy going way out of the way to avoid any connection to past impressions. If we are going to have the most accurate impressions possible, we have to look at all of the evidence and do what it tells us was common.

                              The citation about hats is similar. Years ago it was the fashion that every CS reenactor had some sort of hat cord, decoration, folded up side etc. Now it is the complete opposite, and I have even seen two events where any hat decoration was completely banned. From that quotation it would seem like we ought to be somewhere in the middle of the two extremes.

                              So I say that there is nothing too dangerous to talk about so long as our motivation is an accurate depiction of what happened in the period!

                              Merry Christmas!
                              Tom Craig
                              1st Maine Cavalry
                              Tom Craig

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